Voe Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said: Nah, 30k vs the whole kingdom isn't enough. Even ignoring the royal army for a second, the income suggests 6 loyal houses. That's like 60k. 60k is more than 30k. Royal army significantly tilts it still in royalist favor. You're implying loyalists actually send armies to reinforce the king 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said: Oh really? I think if we surveyed everyone (not that I'm necessarily advocating for that), we'd find most people have abilities that are useful to both sides, and don't need a second ability) However the fact that I was attacked yesterday for needing it, and you remained quiet, when you yourself need two abilities does not speak well for you. Before I forget. ##Vote Voe Here we go bois 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Voe said: You're implying loyalists actually send armies to reinforce the king Fair, but it's not like rebels have risked it so far apparently 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 The thing that stands out to me is that the income Jeod posted only changed once, but I'm pretty sure the pie chart changed at least two, maybe three times. So the rebels definitely did something else to make themselves stronger, imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 @Retaliation, did you lose all your 10k army or have you kept 5k with you at the wall? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Actually measuring the pie chart in any of my graphical programs is beyond my abilities, so I can only eyeball it, but I think what changed last night was Retal's forces got split with some staying loyal (royal army) and some going to the wall (increasing indie). Verti said this split would happen. I suppose one real, valid question would be how many troops are at the wall (important for if the zombies invade), and also important for knowing if it came with any troops to begin with, and as a side effect, knowing how many troops rubeci has. Also I'll actually ping @Retaliation so he doesn't miss it, but do you get to keep your Religion stuff at the wall? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Oh, and point I left out from the above: I'm not sure if rebel actually changed last night specifically, but due to indie changing, it just scooted over, but as I said, I don't know how to actually measure a circle 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, OrangeP47 said: I don't know how to actually measure a circle Shade, how would you like to boost your resume? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Oh I guess we've only had two nights of voting up people, so it could have only changed two times. Trying to keep track of all this stuff in far flung parts of the thread is throwing my head for a loop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Earlier I asked if a rebelling player would cause the hand being chosen to fail. Voe complained right out of the gate on Day 2 that he wasn't chosen as the hand. How would he know he wasn't chosen, if he had chosen to rebel? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: Earlier I asked if a rebelling player would cause the hand being chosen to fail. Voe complained right out of the gate on Day 2 that he wasn't chosen as the hand. How would he know he wasn't chosen, if he had chosen to rebel? He could have been converted later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 The income dropped from 700 to 600 on Day 3, which would indicate conversion then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 I thought we had determined earlier that a conversion didn't happen, and you were using that as a basis to say that Voe must be rebel because he can increase army size? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: I thought we had determined earlier that a conversion didn't happen, and you were using that as a basis to say that Voe must be rebel because he can increase army size? Not all of it is out in the open because some of it is in my doc with sunflower, but we got confused about when the 700-->600 happened. We thought it happened last night, but that's not the case, and wouldn't make sense as Retal's holding was supposed to be redistributed. Seeing as it happened earlier, I'm back to thinking a conversion happened, and I ALSO think it's Voe, given how big a chunk of Rebel that is compared to the comparative change due to Retal's wall sending (even if that's only a fraction of 10k). Voe's rhetoric doesn't help either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 59 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: Shade, how would you like to boost your resume? Not really, I realized something rather obvious that makes this entire argument pointless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 The only player who actually benefits from hunting down Rebels is the King you know... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Shade939 said: The only player who actually benefits from hunting down Rebels is the King you know... So are you joining the half-ass club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 For the rest of us, it's only a question of if they have a reason and are going to attack you or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, OrangeP47 said: So are you joining the half-ass club? That's currently what you're doing it would seem? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Shade939 said: That's currently what you're doing it would seem? No, I'm actually trying very hard, for some reason. TBH I was going to half-ass it, but for reasons that are beyond even myself I've been trying to help Jeod. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, OrangeP47 said: No, I'm actually trying very hard, for some reason. TBH I was going to half-ass it, but for reasons that are beyond even myself I've been trying to help Jeod. Well, if you're trying to help Jeod then you certainly should be hunting down Rebels. Of course, that's a pretty decent way to wind up getting targeted by the Rebels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Alright. I'll concede that Voe could have been converted to rebel, but at least I don't believe he rebelled himself. I also don't believe Sunflower would send an Alliance proposal to a loyalist while rebelling herself, so I have those two in my loyalist pile right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: Alright. I'll concede that Voe could have been converted to rebel, but at least I don't believe he rebelled himself. I also don't believe Sunflower would send an Alliance proposal to a loyalist while rebelling herself, so I have those two in my loyalist pile right now. By the way, it's possible to deal with all of the rebels in game with a single action... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shade939 said: Well, if you're trying to help Jeod then you certainly should be hunting down Rebels. Of course, that's a pretty decent way to wind up getting targeted by the Rebels. YOU DON'T SAY. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: Alright. I'll concede that Voe could have been converted to rebel, but at least I don't believe he rebelled himself. I also don't believe Sunflower would send an Alliance proposal to a loyalist while rebelling herself, so I have those two in my loyalist pile right now. As a matter of fact, I wonder why I wasn't. My best guess is that scum (just as I did) concluded that Shade is the hand and they tried converting him, but failed (because he's the hand). Keep in mind it could also be true for any other player being the hand. This is why I'm most interested in who that person is. Maybe they know a little bit more about what happened tonight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: Earlier I asked if a rebelling player would cause the hand being chosen to fail. Voe complained right out of the gate on Day 2 that he wasn't chosen as the hand. How would he know he wasn't chosen, if he had chosen to rebel? I was thinking the same thing on day 2, but I think Jeod mentioned something about consulting with his hand first that led to Voe complaining. It was one of those moments where I was like "Oh he must be loyal!" but then suddenly it was like "Darn it!" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 hours ago, OrangeP47 said: Also Retal, are religious actions taken away at the wall? I know it says House actions, but it never really specified religious actions, leaving that a grey area. I have faith points and generation, but no religious actions. Unsure if it's because I'm still at tier 0 and vert forgot text about upgrading. 1 hour ago, Voe said: @Retaliation, did you lose all your 10k army or have you kept 5k with you at the wall? Kept 5k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: So are you joining the half-ass club? He didn't just join it. He's been in it for the whole game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Retaliation said: I have faith points and generation, but no religious actions. Unsure if it's because I'm still at tier 0 and vert forgot text about upgrading. If you could get that clarified, that'd be great. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Sunflower said: He didn't just join it. He's been in it for the whole game. So, what do you think the is most effective means of eliminating the rebels is, and what do you think it'll cost? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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