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[Retaliation]

Mojo is going to be subbing for Jeod over the weekend.

[Louis]

@Retaliation do you know what the cvc is?

[Retaliation]

Players	Votes
Cat5
Chopbam
FRAYDO
iLikeToSnipe
Jeod	Category 5
Killing You	Louis
Louis	Jeod
Mojoman
Nodlied
OrangeP47
Sunflower

[Louis]

thankksss

[Sunflower]

I'm kinda unhappy about Louis and Cat 5 being the main candidates because if they're really town, they're probably the people scum need lynched the most. Then again, I guess all that town protection could be too good to be true.

[Louis]

1 minute ago, Sunflower said:

I'm kinda unhappy about Louis and Cat 5 being the main candidates because if they're really town, they're probably the people scum need lynched the most. Then again, I guess all that town protection could be too good to be true.

town protection?

[OrangeP47]

1 minute ago, Sunflower said:

I'm kinda unhappy about Louis and Cat 5 being the main candidates because if they're really town, they're probably the people scum need lynched the most. Then again, I guess all that town protection could be too good to be true.

I mean, if you're the doctor, you're probably the person scum needs gone the most, unless you have a secret

[Sunflower]

1 minute ago, Louis said:

town protection?

Like people that are hard to kill at night because of passives or BP or other shenanigans.

[Nodlied]

1 minute ago, Sunflower said:

I'm kinda unhappy about Louis and Cat 5 being the main candidates because if they're really town, they're probably the people scum need lynched the most. Then again, I guess all that town protection could be too good to be true.

The issue is that both of them are pretty unverified. There's also no way we can check a hider. Although Cat5's disbelief after receiving an item N1 did sound genuïne.

[OrangeP47]

Just now, Sunflower said:

Like people that are hard to kill at night because of passives or BP or other shenanigans.

Oh, fair point I suppose then :P

[Sunflower]

1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said:

I mean, if you're the doctor, you're probably the person scum needs gone the most, unless you have a secret

Maybe, but as long as I guess wrong, I'm not really a problem for them.

[Nodlied]

Just now, OrangeP47 said:

I mean, if you're the doctor, you're probably the person scum needs gone the most, unless you have a secret

There's also the chance scum is betting on Sunflower not dying and pushing that as a ''there's no real doctor'', although Fraydo's story would make that difficult.

[Sunflower]

There might be a way we can verify Cat 5 but without knowing more details about roles that people probably aren't gonna want to share, I'm not sure if it'd be smart anyway.

[Louis]

27 minutes ago, Sunflower said:

There might be a way we can verify Cat 5 but without knowing more details about roles that people probably aren't gonna want to share, I'm not sure if it'd be smart anyway.

How would you be able to do that?

[Sunflower]

3 minutes ago, Louis said:

How would you be able to do that?

I dunno if I could do it myself, but if we coordinated actions between certain players and Cat 5, we might be able to prove what he did that night. It'd probably backfire somehow though.

[Jeod]

I was thinking about an angle where Cat5 and Louis are a scumteam. When Cat5 claimed Hider and said Louis wouldn't recognize it, Louis didn't ask more about the role. In combination with inability to verify, I think one if not both of them are scum.

[Jeod]

Do we have a compiling of N2 actions yet? What if Mojoman wasn't the intended kill target?

[Jeod]

Also is Mojoman subbing for me, or am I subbing for Mojoman?

[Retaliation]

I don't know anymore 

[Jeod]

The Mrs. has declared tomorrow a lazy rest day, so I'll be here after all.

[Killing_You]

49 minutes ago, Jeod said:

I was thinking about an angle where Cat5 and Louis are a scumteam. When Cat5 claimed Hider and said Louis wouldn't recognize it, Louis didn't ask more about the role. In combination with inability to verify, I think one if not both of them are scum.

Not only does this make a lot of sense, but it explains a few things that have been bothering me. Specifically; the fact that neither Louis nor Cat5 had verifiable claims either night, the fact that both of them were the only ones to be unverifiable both nights, the fact that Orange got a different result from Louis' claim, and the fact that Cat5 has continuously hid behind Louis. The only other thing that bothers me at the moment is the fact that we don't know anything about ChopBam's role, but let's set that aside for now.

Instead, let's look at the discrepancy with the N2 result. Personally, I don't think it's an accident that the reports are different (especially since, in my experience at least, failing to steal someone's items still counts as "visiting" them) and that Cat5 has chosen the same person to hide behind. I have a theory: Category 5 is hiding the investigation results. Pretty much everything falls into place. Them being a scum team would explain the first two, but him having to actively hide the results explains why Orange's result was not what Louis' report was, and it would explain why Cat5 has continuously "hid behind" her.

50 minutes ago, Jeod said:

Do we have a compiling of N2 actions yet? What if Mojoman wasn't the intended kill target?

Here's a copy/pasta from earlier. Should've done this sooner to keep it updated. (Don't mind my added commentary regarding night actions, it's about whether they were verified or not)

	D1	N1	D2	N2
Category 5	<No Vote>	Hid behind Louis Received item from Louis Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	OrangeP47	Hid behind Louis Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
ChopBam	OrangeP47	Visited KY Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	No Lynch	Attempted to visit Nodlied Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case
FRAYDO	FRAYDO	Passed ticket to iLTS Forced to follow Jeod to Nodlied Verified, sudoku attempt implausible	iLikeToSnipe	Passed ticket to KY Verified, clear in Mojo case
Jeod	Spare Voe	Masonry w/ Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case
Killing_You	Spare Voe	BUS DRIVER / Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	BUS DRIVER / ChopBam Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Louis	Spare Voe	Passed item to Cat5 No action claim Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	<No Vote>	Item thief/Jeod Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Nodlied	Voe	Redirected to Mojoman, Forcing Dutch gimmick Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	<No Vote>	Was put into a pumpkin Roleblocked ChopBam and Jeod Verified, clear in Mojo case
OrangeP47	Voe	Masonry w/ KY Used rolecop item on FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	RNG Tracker/Louis Pass Profiler/Unknown Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Sunflower	Voe	Doctored FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	No Lynch	Doctored Orange Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
iLikeToSnipe	Voe	Received ticket from FRAYDO Gave FRAYDO bonus action Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	No Lynch / Dead	-
Mojoman	Jeod	Visited Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	<No Vote>	Dead
[RESULT]	Effectively No Lynch	NK failed, FRAYDO was saved	iLTS died town	Mojoman died town

[Jeod]

KY, just to confirm, when you drive a player, do you redirect the actions of players targeting your target, or do you redirect the actions of your target?

[Jeod]

Derp ignore that.

[Jeod]

@FRAYDO What's your ticket item do?

[OrangeP47]

Just now, Jeod said:

@FRAYDO What's your ticket item do?

For what it's worth, my report on him doesn't specify this intermediate step of the ticket, but it's basically confirmed now, so, eh....

[Jeod]

I suppose KY can also answer that question.

[Killing_You]

Just now, Jeod said:

I suppose KY can also answer that question.

My PM doesn't specify, but based on the info Orange got from copping FRAYDO, I'm his "heir," so to speak. I just need to stay alive and hold the ticket for him to win, in the event that he dies.

[Jeod]

3 minutes ago, Killing_You said:

My PM doesn't specify, but based on the info Orange got from copping FRAYDO, I'm his "heir," so to speak. I just need to stay alive and hold the ticket for him to win, in the event that he dies.

That sounds like a balanced neutral role--pass an item to whoever you think will survive to the end of the game, and win if they do.

[Jeod]

Yeah, Cat5 claiming Bernadetta is unverifiable unfortunately. He's probably a variant of Edelgard or Hubert for all we know.

[Louis]

1 hour ago, Jeod said:

I was thinking about an angle where Cat5 and Louis are a scumteam. When Cat5 claimed Hider and said Louis wouldn't recognize it, Louis didn't ask more about the role. In combination with inability to verify, I think one if not both of them are scum.

I mean the explaination Cat5 said about what a hider did was good, I didn't have to ask more. Why does me not asking more irk you more that I'm scum.