OrangeP47 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Another thought: If Chopbam really is curseproof and hinted at it, maybe he was trying to nightkill Sunflower to make me look even more guilty, and play up this "the curse kills" angle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 I really don't know about this business of me supposedly being able to know who Jeod targeted. I mean seriously, wat? He's dead. He's not a valid target for my night action, and when I did target him, it went nowhere. I'll make this much clear. My result PM doesn't state who my target is. It just says who my target visited. Although last night I couldn't sense my target, so it only makes sense I hit the mark on Sunflower, unless some other shenanigans exist and I visited another player who couldn't be tracked at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, ChopBam said: I really don't know about this business of me supposedly being able to know who Jeod targeted. I mean seriously, wat? He's dead. He's not a valid target for my night action, and when I did target him, it went nowhere. I'll make this much clear. My result PM doesn't state who my target is. It just says who my target visited. Although last night I couldn't sense my target, so it only makes sense I hit the mark on Sunflower, unless some other shenanigans exist and I visited another player who couldn't be tracked at all. You were supposed to visit Jeod the night he died, and even said as such, yes? Typically kills go last, so if Jeod went somewhere (and he certainly seemed like he was going to), it would have happened first, and you would have known. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Oh good catch, there's a difference between the result on Jeod and the result on Sunflower. Sunflower I couldn't track, on Jeod it says he didn't visit anybody. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 If this works as you're proposing, and if Jeod can somehow speak to us from the grave, then he can confirm my words. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, Shade939 said: His character name was revealed when he died though, and that's actually is in character for Category 5 to meme like that. Not like that. He wouldn't go straight from being in serious mode to being in meme mode. I'm pretty sure. It's too weird to be real. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 That seems unbelievable... but Jeod does weird things sometimes.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 I don't think Cat5 was possessed. He wanted to be shot as it could help him further his goals, whatever those may be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, ChopBam said: I don't think Cat5 was possessed. He wanted to be shot as it could help him further his goals, whatever those may be. But why not help us before dying? He wanted to tell us things about his conversation with Jeod literally like... an hour or so before nightfall. And then suddenly he wants to be shot? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Yeah, we could have maybe avoided the current situation.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 It's possible something changed during the night. But your guess is as good as mine as to what that could be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: Yeah, we could have maybe avoided the current situation.... KillingYou was way too trigger happy with Cat5 imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 47 minutes ago, VERTi60 said: We can always look at it this way: We can always grill Chopbam once we get Cat5/Jeod back in the game or when we get the alignment flip back. If we lynch Chopbam now we're not sure if he flips scum. Orange already claimed non town and got copped by KY as guilty. So no matter who is right, I think logically we should just either lynch Orange or no one, and follow up on it tomorrow. Thoughts? @Shade939 @Killing_You @Sunflower If we're still stumped by the end of the day, sure. But we need to look at other possibilities as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said: KillingYou was way too trigger happy with Cat5 imo I regret giving tacit support to the shot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 On 10/23/2018 at 2:59 PM, Nodlied said: If I'm even scum. (I'm not.) Going back to Nodlied's death, I think he had every reason to believe, at hammertime, that his alignment was going to be revealed as soon as he was lynched. If he was scum, as OrangeP47 now even more strongly "believes," why then did he bother to keep insisting he wasn't scum 1 minute before hammer when every single other player had voted against him? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 I'm honestly not sure at this point. I can think of valid reasons to lynch ChopBam, Orange, or Killing you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, ChopBam said: Going back to Nodlied's death, I think he had every reason to believe, at hammertime, that his alignment was going to be revealed as soon as he was lynched. If he was scum, as OrangeP47 now even more strongly "believes," why then did he bother to keep insisting he wasn't scum 1 minute before hammer when every single other player had voted against him? Some people believe in never giving away the game, even in such situations. I know Jeod's done it before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 If Nodlied was scum he would have known they didn't janitor Jeod. Not a difficult leap to assume his alignment would be hidden too. A pretty good reason to never give up. If he admitted to being scum out of hopelessness we would have known his alignment. Right now we don't for sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said: Some people believe in never giving away the game, even in such situations. I know Jeod's done it before. Nodlied isn't known at all to do that. And even Jeod stops claiming it when it's a done deal and he has no chance to change minds. Usually Jeod just gets mad at something and fights in that regard. "Why didn't more town speak up and argue? C'mon, activity!" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 ##vote ChopBam 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, ChopBam said: Nodlied isn't known at all to do that. And even Jeod stops claiming it when it's a done deal and he has no chance to change minds. Usually Jeod just gets mad at something and fights in that regard. "Why didn't more town speak up and argue? C'mon, activity!" I still think at best it's null, plus ILTS has a good reason. Some GMs also really emphasize it to the players to never reveal when you're scum. I know some people didn't like it when we did in Death Note, and other times I've tried to pull that because we have a mathematical victory and people still don't like it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said: If Nodlied was scum he would have known they didn't janitor Jeod. Not a difficult leap to assume his alignment would be hidden too. Since there's apparently no janitor, if Nodlied was scum he wouldn't have known the reason for no alignment flip. It would have been something else, something unknown. If I were in that spot, I would not have counted on such an unknown mechanic being consistent. It could be as simple as the person responsible dying or being blocked overnight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, ChopBam said: Since there's apparently no janitor, if Nodlied was scum he wouldn't have known the reason for no alignment flip. It would have been something else, something unknown. If I were in that spot, I would not have counted on such an unknown mechanic being consistent. It could be as simple as the person responsible dying or being blocked overnight. We had discussion of said mechanic, though, and speculated it might apply on a wider scale. The idea wasn't foreign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Hugh, so who else in game want's to claim some form of curse protection? Because we currently have it limited to only two players in game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 As much as I've been pushing on Orange, I still don't think he's responsible for nightkills or attempted nightkills, which would mean somebody I've been writing off as town is actually scum. Will need to revisit some folks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, Shade939 said: Hugh, so who else in game want's to claim some form of curse protection? Because we currently have it limited to only two players in game. I have nothing about curses in my PM and I've already expressed how unfortunate I am not to visit Organge to find out more about them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 My read off of ChopBam right now is that he's playing it safe, not scum hunting. That stinks of scum to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, iLikeToSnipe said: My read off of ChopBam right now is that he's playing it safe, not scum hunting. That stinks of scum to me. The things that annoys me is it makes sense for him to be immune to Orange's curse based on what he's claimed his ability is though... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, iLikeToSnipe said: My read off of ChopBam right now is that he's playing it safe, not scum hunting. That stinks of scum to me. I do agree that choppy plays it a lot safer than usual (e.g. I don't care/don't have time attitude). Still it's a poor meta argument. We still might not learn that he's scum if we lynch him today though. That's my issue with lynching him today w/o solid proof. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 But, I would also expect KY to have some similar form of immunity considering how similar his ability is to a Tracker's also... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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