Event [Complete] RA:APB-themed Mafia game III

[Chaos_Knight]

Anyway, I'll go along with Chaos' wishes and keep quiet from here on until VERTi60 posts all the extra information. I'll give him kudos for trying a daring setup. If nothing else, it was very interesting.

I was just showing the time change to Vert

You can post now

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Ok, well then. Still, the idea that we would figure out that Jeod switched roles is silly. I actually considered after Chaos said that tp/mafia can't accept his tickets that maybe a mafia role switched Killing_You's role, but then that would have had to be Jeod. And if Jeod changed, I assumed someone else would have had to trigger that change since the other two roles that can change roles can't change themselves. So, I didn't find it likely, which I why I considered other options like the Killing_You is mafia angle and revive someone plans.

[Jeod]

Ok, well then. Still, the idea that we would figure out that Jeod switched roles is silly. I actually considered after Chaos said that tp/mafia can't accept his tickets that maybe a mafia role switched Killing_You's role, but then that would have had to be Jeod. And if Jeod changed, I assumed someone else would have had to trigger that change since the other two roles that can change roles can't change themselves. So, I didn't find it likely, which I why I considered other options like the Killing_You is mafia angle and revive someone plans.

I would have suggested it if I were town, and then probably been lynched for it. It's not far-fetched given the scenario (two mafia buildings, no nightkills).

[moonsense715]

Jeod switching roles would have been fine after Nodlied died. That was the first thing we did next day, re-lynch him. That he was allowed to wait until whenever he wanted to to switch role, well I don't like that to an extent that it was completely out of and banned from the possibilities box.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Admittedly, I did go after that angle right at hammer, but given what info I thought I knew, I didn't find it likely at all.

[moonsense715]

I'd have shot Cat5 or Chaos sooner.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

I expected a failed lynch instead, but I didn't see any reason not to try it.

[Jeod]

Jeod switching roles would have been fine after Nodlied died. That was the first thing we did next day, re-lynch him. That he was allowed to wait until whenever he wanted to to switch role, well I don't like that to an extent that it was completely out of and banned from the possibilities box.

It's still balanced, I think. It delayed the nightkills for me, which meant I'd have to survive another full day of avoiding shots/lynches.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Yeah, I was actively thinking about Chaos being third party instead. That's how unlikely the Jeod role switch seemed to me.

[moonsense715]

Why would you lynch someone once - failed (building) then after Nodlied died again - failed (building) and then try AGAIN (because bored? not much else would reason to try it 3 times on a player)

[Jeod]

You could all agree that Jeod is just good scum and needs to be killed Day 1 in place of Voe

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Jeod convincing Killing_You to switch roles to Engineer might actually be what won the game. That was a brilliant play, even if Chaos and I were both heavily against it, it convinced the guy that mattered.

[Voe]

 

Unbelievable.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Jeod was terrible scum! Do you even realize how many slips you made? Why do you think I was after you all game?

[Jeod]

Jeod convincing Killing_You to switch roles to Engineer might actually be what won the game. That was a brilliant play, even if Chaos and I were both heavily against it, it convinced the guy that mattered.

Thank you

 

That and convincing him that he had to remain as an engineer to have the best chance of killing me took a lot of effort on my part. I thought that if I hadn't come out as scum when I did you'd have tried lynching me again.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

You literally got away with murder because your role made it implausible that you were mafia.

[Jeod]

Jeod was terrible scum! Do you even realize how many slips you made? Why do you think I was after you all game?

One guy scumreading me doesn't make me terrible scum

Like, it's not my fault you couldn't keep an open mind.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Yeah, you're right, I'm exaggerating for effect. But, yes, I had you pegged as scum early and often. A lot of my reads about you were correct. 

In a normal game, you wouldn't have stood a chance.

[Jeod]

Yeah, you're right, I'm exaggerating for effect. But, yes, I had you pegged as scum early and often. A lot of my reads about you were correct.

 

Probably would have had me if the visceroids hadn't become a distraction, along with the vortex.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Like seriously, Day 1, pegging you mafia for going after the easy lynch and calling me town before I get lynched. Classic Jeod tells, as you put it.

[Mojoman]

What I'm hearing is, visceroids should be lynch proof.

[ChopBam]

Messing with Chronosphere technology to fix time problems is more RA-listic than a Pillbox turning into a Spy.

[Jeod]

Messing with Chronosphere technology to fix time problems is more RA-listic than a Pillbox turning into a Spy.

Exactly. Cat5, think you'd have gone for the Pillbox turned Spy idea if I hadn't brought up repairing the chronosphere?

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Oh oh! Can we make Spies unable to kill buildings! Pretty please!

 

Messing with Chronosphere technology to fix time problems is more RA-listic than a Pillbox turning into a Spy.

Exactly. Cat5, think you'd have gone for the Pillbox turned Spy idea if I hadn't brought up repairing the chronosphere?

 

 

I never bought your Chrono revival plan, so I'm not sure anything would have changed. If I had gotten home on time to stop that nolynch the other day, I might have pressed to lynch you again.

[Jeod]

Bottom line is, by pushing something that was out of the realm of possibility into the realm of possibility, I made what was actually possible seem impossible. That's the objective of playing as scum, no?

[Category 5 Hurricane]

You convinced Killing_You of that, yes. On the other hand, game mechanics made something that was possible seem impossible. So what chance did we have, really?

[Jeod]

Like I said I don't understand how scum changing roles to gain a nightkill ability seemed impossible.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Because there are other examples of games that have roles that change at will....where?

[moonsense715]

The whole brainstorming of reviving Nodlied was rather like even you had no idea how to end the game.

 

Guess I should take note that everyone can change roles whenever in mafia regardless of role proofs already happening (even more than once).

 

No, just fucking no. It's hard enough to build trust in others by multi proving by actions and others visiting me at night, let alone people changing roles without an actual day/night action.

This was unfair, not balanced.

[Jeod]

The whole brainstorming of reviving Nodlied was rather like even you had no idea how to end the game.Guess I should take note that everyone can change roles whenever in mafia regardless of role proofs already happening (even more than once).No, just fucking no. It's hard enough to build trust in others by multi proving by actions and others visiting me at night, let alone people changing roles without an actual day/night action.This was unfair, not balanced.

I did have an action. It was ##Dismantle. I had to use that to change into a Spy, and it meant that for one night I would not kill visitors and Snipers would see me using it. That's why I chose to wait until KY said he'd used his Sniper ability.