Jeod Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 I'm all for trying military out this time around. ##reform military 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: Care to state your victory condition Retaliation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 That's right, we need to start thinking ahead on that again. Having seen the Economic choices, we can probably try to figure out what the choices we'll see for the other reforms will be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: Care to state your victory condition Retaliation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 I don't think there's necessarily a meta pattern, but there could be. I'd still be up for voting military. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 There is also a potential complication that I imagine Nodlied may have prepared multiple events for each reform, and the results of each might cause things to change. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 I wonder if every option is actually some sort of referendum on status quo vs pluralist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: There is also a potential complication that I imagine Nodlied may have prepared multiple events for each reform, and the results of each might cause things to change. You mean like multiple outcomes for each night vote option? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Retaliation said: I wonder if every option is actually some sort of referendum on status quo vs pluralist. At present time, I'd wager there's other things too, but can't be certain until we see at least two categories I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, OrangeP47 said: You mean like multiple outcomes for each night vote option? No, I mean like an event tree, where the chosen option changes what the options will be for the next event. Even a tied vote might do that. Infact, given that the sides have equal numbers I imagine that it was pretty likely that we were going to tie that first vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 It would help protect abolishment players from your all seeing eye though Orange. They can try to subtly influence the vote toward more stability damaging options without being caught as easy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: I don't think there's necessarily a meta pattern, but there could be. I'd still be up for voting military. And possibly miss out on a chance to use your evidence key to see who votes for the pro-military option? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: No, I mean like an event tree, where the chosen option changes what the options will be for the next event. Even a tied vote might do that. Infact, given that the sides have equal numbers I imagine that it was pretty likely that we were going to tie that first vote. Oh, I'd say almost certainly there's an event tree, though the question of what exactly the tie does is open. Just now, Retaliation said: It would help protect abolishment players from your all seeing eye though Orange. They can try to subtly influence the vote toward more stability damaging options without being caught as easy. Eh, I'd say with military at least, stability influence is probably even more obvious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: And possibly miss out on a chance to use your evidence key to see who votes for the pro-military option? It's a large toolbox Shade. Unless someone rips the key from my hands, I'll be fine. We're not working in a vacuum here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, OrangeP47 said: It's a large toolbox Shade. Unless someone rips the key from my hands, I'll be fine. We're not working in a vacuum here. Just pointing out you seem to have your own unique victory condition revolving around the civil war it seems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 I think he just knows we're in a position where the civil war can be prevented, and is cocky enough to think he can force his victory condition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: Just pointing out you seem to have your own unique victory condition revolving around the civil war it seems. I have a vested interest in the civil war not happening, that's no secret. There's nothing big and spooky about it. Also your leaps of logic are getting even more sparse, because I don't even know what your point was about :P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Retaliation said: I think he just knows we're in a position where the civil war can be prevented, and is cocky enough to think he can force his victory condition. Pointing out that Orange probably loses the game if a civil war happens, so he's going to try and prevent that from happening at any cost, it would also explain why his character started out with an evidence key since he'd basically be more neutral with that victory condition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: Pointing out that Orange probably loses the game if a civil war happens, so he's going to try and prevent that from happening at any cost, it would also explain why his character started out with an evidence key since he'd basically be more neutral with that victory condition. I don't lose, I just get less points. Go big or go home 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 I think I'm going back to the jeod investigation for the time being. ##investigate Jeod. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodlied Posted July 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Sunflower said: I'm going to go ahead and cast my vote on military reforms since that's what I did yesterday and I'm kinda interested to know if the choices will be the same as the economy ones or different choices. Especially since the thing I was worried about at first was having the choices pit the factions against each other and now I know that economy choices do just that. ##reform military 2 hours ago, Jeod said: I'm all for trying military out this time around. ##reform military 1 hour ago, Retaliation said: I think I'm going back to the jeod investigation for the time being. ##investigate Jeod. Small heads-up. I'm off to the Reichsmuseum in Amsterdam tomorrow, so if a CVC is required, I'll trust on Voe to do it correctly. (Hopefully) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 I'm pretty sure we know what happens when a vote ties: nothing. We already did economy but the vote tied and nothing happened. I think we should try economy again to see if we can get a proper reform passed this time. And I do agree with Shade and Orange in regards to radicalism being almost worthless to everyone who's not in the Abolishment group. The reason being, it'd most likely decreases stability - especially radical pluralism. Secondary objectives are just that, secondary. I think we should come together to focus more on stability as it's the primary goal that matters most. As for who to investigate, Jeod is a good pick for his choice of radicalism but at this point if you guys want to investigate me, I'm fine with that too. For nominations, I think Cat5 or myself would be alright. ##nominate TheIrishman FRAYDO and ILTS, you guys busy? You've both been fairly quiet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 I disagree with sending someone on the investigate list to the vault in the same night. ##nominate Sunflower 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 We're throwing these nominations around pretty freely without discussion, especially considering doing so costs a PP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Regarding repeating the vote, unless the options we're given are different than before, it would be a dangerous waste of time. We don't know which options were tied, and faced with the potential of failing the vote twice, I think the people most likely to switch would be the ones who voted for the safer options moving to the radical options, because failing to do so would risk someone on the other side doing the same thing and bringing the worst possible result. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 That is part of the reason I'm in favor of investigating Jeod today. At the very least we eliminate one radical vote, if not make an example of him for those that consider voting radical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 28 minutes ago, Retaliation said: That is part of the reason I'm in favor of investigating Jeod today. At the very least we eliminate one radical vote, if not make an example of him for those that consider voting radical. "An example"? Hah. Night votes are anonymous, there's no point in using a 'warning' as an excuse to investigate me. You'll actually do more harm than good to yourselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Not so anonymous that we didn't figure out what you voted for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, Retaliation said: Not so anonymous that we didn't figure out what you voted for. You only figured it out because A) Orange happened to spy on me, and B) I was willing to admit it. You, on the other hand, are more suspicious than I am. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 You have that "lead from the fence and agree with town" vibe going for you here. It rubs me the wrong way. ##investigate Retaliation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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