Category 5 Hurricane Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, OrangeP47 said: Go big or go home And that is exactly why I think you are one of the ones who would vote radical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: And that is exactly why I think you are one of the ones who would vote radical. I suppose it could be twisted that way, but it's more of a short term vs long term picture. Bigger bonuses would be nice, but the prize is in the end, and for me, that prize comes through reform. I don't want to jeopardize stability. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Shade939 said: You see why I'm not overly concerned about hunting down players based on their secondary conditions then. Sounds like something somebody not loyal to the empire would say... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said: Sounds like something somebody not loyal to the empire would say... Yeah, for some reason, I might be more concerned with players who primary objective is the destruction of the empire, instead of changing it's political system through radical actions... I also, might be more concerned with a player who visits the vault, and has a night action that they consider to be more valuable than taking an item from the vault, and seems like they could be on a team with Retaliation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: Yeah, for some reason, I might be more concerned with players who primary objective is the destruction of the empire, instead of changing it's political system through radical actions... I also, might be more concerned with a player who visits the vault, and has a night action that they consider to be more valuable than taking an item from the vault, and seems like they could be on a team with Retaliation. Consider this: Those who want Independence had no obvious options in the 4 we were given. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, OrangeP47 said: Consider this: Those who want Independence had no obvious options in the 4 we were given. So they'd vote for radical status quo? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: So they'd vote for radical status quo? Perhaps Radical Pluralism would be better, if we assume the indies are Bosnians, Bohemians, etc, but it could just as easily be a Hungarian, who might be looking for a bit of a personal boost. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: So they'd vote for radical status quo? Or radical pluralism. What are the chances that political reform is abolishment vs status quo? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Retaliation said: Or radical pluralism. What are the chances that political reform is abolishment vs status quo? Probably higher than abolishment vs. pluralism though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 It'd obviously be better to investigate Jeod than some random player, but I consider Irish to have performed some rather obvious suspicious actions already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Care to elaborate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Retaliation said: Care to elaborate? What item did Irish take from the vault when he visited it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 I don't know? I don't see where he said he took something from the vault. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Retaliation said: I don't know? I don't see where he said he took something from the vault. He said he didn't, so why didn't he take an item then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 I'm still kind of confused by the dynamics in this game since this is more first crisis game but maybe someone can explain to me. Being suspicious is kind of alarming for sure, and maybe he's just waiting to go hostile, but wouldn't it be better to find someone who actually is hostile (aka mafia)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 edit: my first* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Ohhhh, so he must have done something in addition to voting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Sunflower said: I'm still kind of confused by the dynamics in this game since this is more first crisis game but maybe someone can explain to me. Being suspicious is kind of alarming for sure, and maybe he's just waiting to go hostile, but wouldn't it be better to find someone who actually is hostile (aka mafia)? If someone's hostile we can remove them from the game. Generally it's good, but looking at my options in the Evidence Base, we can definitely make people Hostile by framing them, so it's not always good. It's also quite possible nobody is Hostile yet, only Suspicious, because it's only D2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Retaliation said: I don't know? I don't see where he said he took something from the vault. I think that is his point. He's saying that even though some useful things were in the vault, he didn't take them. And probably the only reason not to take something is because he wanted to do something else. I think that would be a compelling argument if something bad had happened to somebody. Since I haven't seen anything negative yet (except the tie vote, which might not be that bad really) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Sunflower said: I'm still kind of confused by the dynamics in this game since this is more first crisis game but maybe someone can explain to me. Being suspicious is kind of alarming for sure, and maybe he's just waiting to go hostile, but wouldn't it be better to find someone who actually is hostile (aka mafia)? Hostile isn't likely to be a starting status. It's something that a player gets for doing aggressive actions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Retaliation said: Ohhhh, so he must have done something in addition to voting. Yep, so if he did something we should be worried about, I believe his status would have also changed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: Yep, so if he did something we should be worried about, I believe his status would have also changed. Depends on the action. My status didn't change by spying on Jeod from the Evidence Base. I'm still innocent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, OrangeP47 said: Depends on the action. My status didn't change by spying on Jeod from the Evidence Base. I'm still innocent. To be fair, that's kinda the reason I would want to investigate him now. ##VoteInvestigate TheIrishman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, OrangeP47 said: Depends on the action. My status didn't change by spying on Jeod from the Evidence Base. I'm still innocent. Yes, but I'd describe your action has non hostile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Plus, the fact that it'll tell us what items he currently has if any. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Retaliation said: Yes, but I'd describe your action has non hostile. Yeah, I'm saying if Irish used an action it could be equally non-hostile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 My action was non-hostile >.> if it was aggressive I'm pretty sure it would've messed with stability. I'm innocent, but I'd rather we investigate someone else. My options were to perform my action or to pick up either a walkie talkie/evidence base key as long as I still wanted to vote (which I voted soft, Cat5 :b ). At the time I thought the evidence base key would've just given me access to The Vault, but I was (and still am) unaware if it's a passive or an active item. If you have to use it to access the vault, it seem relatively useless since it really limits your actions if you want to visit the vault. I figured that I was much more likely to be voted again to the vault, so I chose not to grab the key the first time around. My other option was a walkie-talkie which just sounds like a 1 to 1 masonry, again, not very useful. As for my ability, it's non-hostile so don't worry about it. It's too early for me to spill that much info. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Oops said the same thing twice. And it doesn't look like abilities affect stability in general like the previous games. At least for now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 The key is a passive. Automatically lets you see the Evidence Base doc at night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 minute ago, TheIrishman said: As for my ability, it's non-hostile so don't worry about it. It's too early for me to spill that much info. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but "Trap" doesn't seem like a non-hostile ability. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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