[Infantry - Lack of C4, lack of weapons.]

It's all very well saying that something is "boring", but if they can't say why it's "boring" other than the fact that certain Infantry match-ups vs Tanks are unfavourable for the Infantry then they may as well be stating the obvious; that's the way the game is inherently designed, with counters in mind.

It's not an unknown point that basic infantry don't do well against tanks. They didn't do well in Renegade, they still don't do well in Renegade X (even with C4) and they don't do well in other games in the FPS genre; for example, try taking on a tank in Battlefield using a class that isn't the Engineer and you're going to have a bad time.

I can see that the idea of "more variety = better" sounds good in theory, but that isn't always the case. More variety adds more complexity to the game, which in turn drives up the skill ceiling and makes the game harder to grasp for newer players. It's very important that when you are considering to add something to an established game ecosystem that you introduce features that have strong reasoning behind their inclusion.

On the subject of APB though, I think the main difference here is that APB isn't trying to be Renegade, whereas Renegade X IS. Obviously you're going to enjoy Renegade X more if you prefer Renegade, but the fact of the matter is the choices made in APB are made in order to give infantry clearly defined roles that have strengths and weaknesses, which makes team composition a LOT more important in rushes and such.

In Renegade X, there's not much consequence for picking a single type of infantry class and rolling with it, because:

Every infantry has C4, which means they can combat vehicles to a certain extent and attack structures effectively (this is true with Renegade as well).
Every infantry has the option to buy a repair gun, which really de-values the role of the Engineer classes.
Every infantry has the option to buy additional weapons, which conversely powers up Engineer classes and allows them to do fill in the gameplay roles of other classes (which, in-turn, de-values other classes).
It's almost as if there's an active discouragement in infantry unit diversity because the intention is to let all of the classes buy weapons to fill most of the gameplay roles, apart from more specialist units such as Snipers, the SBH, Anti-Tank specialists and the more expensive versions of them. There are no truly specialist infantry classes in RenX (like the Spy or Thief), who can do unique interesting gameplay things that place them outside of the arbitrary roles of: "Anti-Infantry", "Anti-Tank", "Generalist" or "Engineer". Every character class has a gun that is good at shooting a certain type of thing (which is inherited from Renegade) and the buy-able weapons blur the lines across those four basic class categories even more. Basically, if you make everyone special, then nobody is special.

I'm not sure what they mean when they say "Renegade X has more features". In terms of vehicles, APB has a LOT more. Granted Renegade X just introduced that commander view feature which seems cool, but I couldn't get it to work properly last time I played, so I can't form an opinion on it. It's very hard to say that one game has more features than another without establishing a baseline of what a feature is and then counting them up. Though both games have a good amount of features, I'd say.

tl;dr - Variety is the spice of life, but it's not always the answer.

Personally I think the reason that APB has fairly low player-counts is just a problem of exposure. There's not enough people talking about the game outside of the community to generate more interest. It's not a problem with the game itself, because it is really fun to play.

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Dung Defender! ?

[New Command and Conquer Mobile game]

In screenshots it looks as if the Soviet units are part of the Allied roster, which is heresy! Romanov has his legacy to considerrrrr!

[Forum Update]

The forum was updated last night to the latest version of IPBv4 and there are a couple of bugs with the Reborn skin that need addressing. Keeping you guys in the loop is important, so if you see anything that looks wonky, please feel free to submit a bug.

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7 hours ago, Raap said:

 

I'd personally love to see how cliffs built entirely from objects like this would look in W3D, as opposed to the smooth-style hills that appear in most maps.

[New Command and Conquer Mobile game]

Although the gameplay looks pretty awful from this video, I'm excited because it means that we now have some more art references for RA2 units, which is great!

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16 hours ago, Raap said:

But curious things happens when you separate "C&C Renegade" and "W3D Engine", it becomes a different kind of topic then.

It's all dependant on whether the original game's content is being used or not. That's the difference in rhetoric and sentiment.

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3 hours ago, Raap said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Renegade can be considered abandonware as long as EA still makes sales on it through collection packages.

You are correct @Raap. Though unfortunately that hasn't stopped these guys from declaring it as such.

I attempted to contact EA about the page that I linked above a while ago, but didn't get a reply back. I guess they don't care at this stage, but we're going to keep respecting their IP ownership until an official statement on Renegade's status comes through (though it probably won't at this stage).

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20 hours ago, saberhawk said:

You are. The purpose of WWskin was to make the content in the content authoring tool behave like content in the engine does. Things like inverse kinematics (i.e. feet following terrain) require engine level support when not faked via baked hierarchy transform animations. Which is what mocap data generally is, until you get into facecap, and already supported by the engine.

I figured as much. Though fake bake was generally what I was alluding to, since the artist would still need to export with a skin modifier in the stack. It's just a lot easier to convert IK to be used with the much more broader-used Skin modifier rather than W3D engine-specific WWSkin.

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6 minutes ago, Raap said:

How do you intend to solve character animation in W3D though? From my understanding using video card memory is a very outdated method and newer cards don't care for it much - correct me if I am mistaken here. As for the actual animations, well by eliminating WWskin on the modeling side, and utilizing a more mainstream solution, wouldn't that, theoretically speaking, open the door to motion captured animations?

I'm also not grasping how you can make W3D understand non-WWskin animated meshes, I presume that engine-side developments are to be paired with this?

I'm not sure about the memory-allocation stuff, so I can't really answer that one.

So as far as I'm aware, W3D looks for skinned meshes within the file format and WWSkin is used to translate skinned weights into the W3D file format. So if the Max Skin Modifier is able to be exported and translated to skinned weights within the W3D file format, we eliminate the need for WWSkin. This does open up W3D for motion capture, CAT rigging, Inverse Kinematics and all of that good stuff.   Basically the key is how the skinning data is exported to the W3D file format rather than how the engine interprets it.

I could be totally wrong, though. @cfehunter knows more about the technical side of things so I'll try and get him to comment.

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5 hours ago, Raap said:

And this is why I hate this forum software: I cannot edit the above post properly anymore... The "Edit" isn't what Pushwall said but something I added below the quote, but this forum added it to the quote post-submission and in a form that is completely un-editable. Just to clarify, I hate miss-quoting. Try moderator editing that TLDR line... You cannot even access it because it is embedded into the quote frame itself. This is what I asked source view for a while ago!

... Anyhow, infantry models are a pet annoyance for me. I consider it the doorway into any W3D game, it is the first thing players get to see. In a perfect world, WWskin is removed and a new animation system entirely is created. With WWskin out of the way, the door is opened for much more infantry detail and mechanics.

I've found a fixed a bug that was preventing members from editing their own posts, so that should be working now. We did investigate adding source view, but with IPB deprecating BBCode and the only way to enable a source view is to expose the HTML viewer, then it could be a bit of a security risk.

You'll be delighted to know that WWSkin has been completely annihilated by the new exporter. When the new tools are ready we will be using Max's native skin modifier for rigging, which is a whole lot better. Currently WWSkin allows us to interpolate between two bones, but the Max Skin modifier could allow us to interpolate between more than that which could be really good for characters.

As for performance concerns, AR uses high poly (for the W3D Engine) characters for the Conscript and GI and the performance impact is negligible.

Posing infantry has always been awkward because we lack animators, but if we were to recruit just one competent animator, then a lot of our weapon pose issues would be solved.

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6 hours ago, Raap said:

as well as the severe limitations of how W3D handles infantry meshes.

What limitations are you referring to here, if I may ask?

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Awesome stuff @VERTi60!

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Hi everyone!

Now that 2018 is in full swing I'd like to just take this opportunity to recap on what we managed to achieve last year as well as what we are aiming to do with W3D Hub this year! 

2017 Retrospective

2017 was a productive year for W3D Hub! We outlined our roadmap in this thread last year:

 As you can see, we pretty much achieved everything that we set out to do, which is great!

• Work was started on fixing Tiberian Sun: Reborn and is proceeding as planned.
• Development work on Red Alert 2: Apocalypse Rising continued at a great pace (especially in the latter half of the year)
• Expansive Civilian Warfare saw a release on the launcher, which has been mostly a great success!
• Red Alert: A Path Beyond saw a plethora of updates that steadily iterated and added to the gameplay over the course of the year.
• The stats system has been significantly upgraded since the beginning of last year, but the new stats website hasn't been pushed live just yet. We didn't put together the planned media pack that we talked about, but I feel that we are slowly building the player-base up to a good number.
• The download manager went live, but hasn't seen too much use just yet. Hopefully this will change over the course of this year.
• Discord has been running for a while now and has been a great success!
• Integrated chat via IRC was implemented into the launcher! Hopefully we'll look at tightening this up a bit more this year as well!
• The bug tracker is back up and running. If you have issues to report, please submit some bugs for us!  We'll be making this more visible in the coming months.
• Advanced Tags and Prefixes was reinstalled and works as intended!

So with 2017 being a success as far as our plans were concerned, here's what we have planned for 2018!

W3D Hub Roadmap 2018

A New Look

First off, we have decided that the W3D Hub logo was due a freshen up for 2018, so we've updated it a bit. the layout is still the same, but it is now a lot crisper with flat colours on the text that make it look a lot more contemporary. Here's what we have decided to go with.

Over the course of this month, we shall be updating the logo across all of our games, services, and channels; so keep an eye out for it!

New Development Tools (SDK)

Mammoth Tank Assembled

We're proud to announce Mammoth; a brand new tool that we're hoping to develop and build on throughout the year. Mammoth is a full replacement for the venerable Commando Level Editor (that shipped with Renegade) that will allow for a much higher degree of flexibility when creating mods and maps on the W3D Engine. Here are a couple of screenshots:

 

It may look a lot like level edit and that's because it is currently being developed as a reverse engineering of that piece of software, however once that is complete, we can then begin adding some more outlandish features. The viewport controls have already been improved, allowing users to use the RMB and WASD to navigate the viewport and LMB to select objects without changing between view and select modes!

Special thanks to @jonwil for spearheading this project as well as @saberhawk for laying some of the initial groundwork.

If you're a mapper and would like to help us develop this new tool by providing feedback on all aspects of the functionality, interface design and user experience, please get in touch with us. (@Raap and @Timeaua we'd especially like to hear your thoughts!)

3DS Max 2017 W3D Export Plugin

After years of using Gmax and 3D Studio Max 8, a new 3D export plugin is finally within our grasp! With this new plugin anybody will be able to export their models and animations from new versions of 3DS Max that are 100% compatible with Windows 10. This is really big for all of us, because it allows us to make use of software that has newer features that are much more powerful (than Gmax and Max 8 are) and easier to use.

Here's a screenshot of the new plugin in Max 2017. It's not quite ready, but we hope to release it sometime this year!

 

Also, because the new export plugin has been built from the ground up, we can consider the possibility of porting it to other 3D modelling programs. We know that not everyone can get their hands on a copy of 3D Studio Max, so we are also looking at integrating the plugin to work with Blender, which is a popular free software package for 3D modelling.

Big thanks to @cfehunter for making this pipe-dream a reality! 

Launcher Updates

The eagle-eyed among you may have noticed that the W3D Hub launcher has been receiving a steady stream of updates! Here's what we're looking at this year! As always, big thanks to @danpaul88 for fighting OpenReach in order to help us improve our lawn chair!  

User Interface

After the addition of the Chat tab, work began on re-vamping the launcher's UI to make it more user-friendly and generally nicer to look at. This project is still ongoing and we hope to improve the user interface further over the course of 2018.

Here's a shot of our latest internal mockups:

The final design won't look exactly the same, but this is just to show you the direction we are moving forward in.

If you have any feedback on the UI, please let us know in this thread or make a new one in General Discussion! 

Single-Client Packages

Currently W3D Hub is the only download source that the launcher connects to when downloading packages. This is problematic because if we suddenly go viral, our servers will get rammed pretty hard. So to counteract this, we will be working on single-client packages!

A single client package is simply the launcher bundled with one of the games. The installer will install the launcher and the packaged game, then the launcher will update it to the latest version.

There are a number of free game websites on the internet that frown upon the use of launchers, so another reason to do this is so that we can get more players into the games as well. Hopefully we'll be able to accomplish this task this year too!

Renegade Support

Even bigger news is that we've been talking about the idea of Renegade support. Since Renegade isn't free, we'd have to get the launcher to detect a Renegade installation and then manage it that way. With that done, we'll be able to update Renegade with the latest community patches through the launcher and offer a full comprehensive listing of all currently hosted Renegade servers.

If we can pull it off, it will mean that the W3D Hub Launcher will truly be the one and only Renegade launcher to serve the C&C community, which is quite exciting! Please bear in mind though that this is a pipe dream, so it may not happen. But we figured it's good to tell you guys that we're playing around with the idea anyway.  

Infrastructure Updates

You guys may also be interested to know that we have been updating our infrastructure as well! Here are a few points of interest.

Stats & Ranks System

Work has continued on our W3D Stats system this past year, with a new website being developed to display all of the awesome data! This website will be mobile compatible, so that you can check your ranks on the go! Big thanks to @rantanplan, @Silverlight, @moonsense715, @danpaul88, @triattack and others who I may have missed for making this happen! Here's a small preview:

We'll also be looking into the general presentation of achievements at some point to see if we can make the requirements more visible in-game. Watch this space!

Forum Skins

The APB skin is well underway now and should be finished fairly shortly! Here's a small work-in-progress shot. There's still some colouring to work out, but it is nearly ready!

Keep your eyes peeled for the classic look around the forums soon!

We're also aiming to develop more forum skins in the future for the other mods (starting with ECW) and then also one that mirrors the theme that's featured on Renforums (just for those people who love a bit of nostalgia!).

You might also see that there are two new buttons for H2 and H3 on the post editor. If you highlight some text and click one of these buttons it will turn it into a cool heading, just like the ones featured in this thread!  

Keep posted for more news on this!

Confluence

After a few emails back and forth to the good folks over at Atlassian, we have managed to secure ourselves a licence to their documentation tool, Confluence.

What does this mean? Basically it means that we will be able to port all of our scatted design documentation into one centralised location so that we can work much more effectively as a team.

We might be able to make parts of it public in the future so that you guys can keep up with our design decisions as they happen, but we'll be evaluating it closely first!

Downloads

Sadly C&C Files isn't coming back anytime soon, but over the course of this year we'll be uploading some more files to our very own download system! This includes some old mods for various C&C games that we've been hoarding along with some, Renegade-specific files, rarities and more!

Hopefully we'll get this stuff online as the year goes on for you guys to play around with. More news soon(tm)!  

Freelancers

Do you want to work on content for any of our games, but don't want to have the responsibility of being a full time staff member? Then our new Global Freelancers Initiative (GFI) is right up your alley.

What we want to be able to do is open a more fluid communication channel between mod leaders and people who enjoy making cool stuff for the games, so that any content that's made by fans can be picked up by us and made official even easier than before.

What we aim to do is setup a channel on our Discord server for Freelancer and Devs to collaborate with no expectations or pressure. Just nice environment where you can share images and files of what you're working on, as well as collectively pool knowledge, so even if you don't know how to mod the games, we can give you some tips and tricks!

Check back for more info on this soon, once we've ironed out the details!

Events & Prizes

This year we want to try and run more events and competitions! We have stockpiled a number of C&C posters in the W3D Hub vaults that need winning, so we'll have to organise a way for people to win them! Hopefully we'll scratch our collective heads and launch something soonish!

Big thanks to our printing comrade, @CCHyper for these wonderful prizes!

Game Roadmaps

Here's a brief rundown of how the games are doing currently!

Battle for Dune: War of Assassins

More updates for Battle for Dune: War of Assassins are on the way! @TeamWolf recently posted up an update on BFD's new Emperor Worm mode map where you and several others take control of masterfully well simulated Sand Worms! Check it out below!

Keep an eye out for more exciting updates!

Expansive Civilian Warfare

With ECW's release last December as well as launcher integration, @Jerad2142 is looking to expand on the game and add more features! He's currently working on a new mission system into ECW due to multiple player requests. It's going to be pseudo-random and be mostly assassination or fetch quests with some branching objective paths (like save the person instead of killing them sometimes). 

Keep an eye out for that in up and coming ECW updates!

Flyin' high in San Casina!

Also, if you're getting lost in the sewers, our new pal @Veyrdite has your back.

Red Alert: A Path Beyond

Nothing too big is planned for this year with APB. Updates will continue to roll out with @Pushwall at the helm which will further tune and refine the experience. There was an update posted last Saturday, so go and check that out!

Infantry maps should be getting some overhauls at some point and there are still a few units to implement, but that requires artists that we currently don't have spare.

If you are a 3D Artist or know other 3D Artists who may be interested, please get in touch!

Red Alert 2: Apocalypse Rising

Apocalypse Rising had an incredible second half of last year and we're hoping to keep this up with more gameplay iteration and more of a conscious thought about what maps we actually want to release with. To quote the Chinese Dozer from Generals "We have big plans!"  

Here's a quick shot of some Tesla Tanks playing in the snow!

Stay tuned to the forums and Discord for more info as we progress through 2018!

Renegade: Interim Apex

Interim Apex (previously Imperial Age) is set for a new and updated release this year as well as some other big news so stay tuned! @Kaskins has been working hard on some new maps as well as a full compliment of naval units! Check out the latest update from this massive project here!

Keep your eyes peeled in the coming months, because the new release will definitely be something to watch out for!

Tiberian Sun: Reborn

Reborn 2.0 is coming along steadily and is due out this year! There are some changes to a couple of GDI buildings that are being worked on currently and a major re-balance is planned, pending spare time to work on it.

Also, Nod's very own femme fatale, Oxanna Kristos, posted in the forums at the start of March. What can this all mean? 

2018 Is A Go! That about covers it for what we have planned this year! I know it's been said a lot in this thread, but stay tuned! There's even some stuff that we aren't brave enough to mention just yet, so there are plenty of irons in the fire, as they say!

Thank you everyone for continuing to support us and may 2018 be a year to remember! Bring on the future! :D

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I like the sound of these changes. Will be good to try them out when the time comes.

[Kane's Wrath Turns 10 today!]

Happy Birthday to Kane's Wrath, which turns 10 years old today! Kane's Wrath is one of our personal favourites out of the C&C series here at W3D Hub because it's just an absolute blast to play in multiplayer! In the past we've had some epic games with the likes of @Voe, @madrox8, @Killing_You, @VERTi60 and others which we've gotten a lot of fun and laughs from over the years.

CNCNZ has also reported on this, providing some of the history behind the game in their coverage as well. Be sure to check out that article here!

Also, on top of that, GameReplays.org have organized the Decade Cup and it's all culminating today with the final being held today! Catch it being streamed here live on Twitch by bikerushownz and kochevnik (if you're a Russian speaker)! The finalists are Phoenix and Masterleaf, and the prize pool is $2200, which is the largest since the EA-sponsored Ladder Season 3! More information on the event is available here and last week's semifinals and quarterfinals are also available to watch. Look out for the replays of the finals somewhere soon!

Here's to another 10 years to this great expansion for this great game! Here's hoping that C&C Online is still serving the community by then as well, so that we can continue to play online.   [blurb]Happy Birthday to Kane's Wrath, which turns 10 years old today![/blurb][thumb]custom_thumb_kaneswrath.png[/thumb]

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I really like this one:

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1 minute ago, Pushwall said:

Seems the mine logic is just "is this target an infantry preset" or "is this target a vehicle preset". I just tried giving Volkov the AI script marker for heavy vehicles and he doesn't trip AT mines.

It's presumably possible somehow, seeing as Cyborgs can trip EMP mines in Reborn, but other infantry cannot. We could also always submit a request for a scripts modification if we wanted to prototype it.

[Redefining shotgunners and Volkov]

A bit of a weird suggestion, but seeing as Volkov is practically a walking tank and is presumably quite heavy because he's partly made of metal, could he be made to trigger and take damage from AT mines?

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12 minutes ago, Raptor29aa said:

A high tech pistol with specialty incendiary ammo... I like it...

Sounds a bit like a flare gun.

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2 hours ago, Pushwall said:

I'm not too sure on that. V2 already isn't devalued by Kovtillery - likely because it kills buildings twice as fast, can reliably snipe vehicles and base defenses from afar due to its accuracy, can also one-shot arties (so a mech arty that laughs at ranged Kovtillery attack gets hard countered by this), has much more range (225m vs Kovtillery's 170m which also isn't reflected by the target box), and also puts pressure on infantry from that range. I see a lot of V2 use on Camos Canyon, Coastal Influence, KOTG, Pipeline, Siege, Stormy Valley and Zama despite the dominance of Volkov on those maps.

Bear in mind Kovtillery itself wouldn't gain that much out of this specialisation change under my current plan for him - like 5-10% more DPS (I mentioned before that this is a problem but really it's the combination of his original siege prowess combined with annihilating any unit that gets within his range), being a bit more accurate and thus not so unreliable at sniping unmeched vehicles (but definitely not V2 tier), and his target box actually properly reflecting his range, in exchange for firing one shot at a time with 3x the ROF (both a blessing and a curse, misses are less punishing but he has less time to hide behind cover against arties/snipers) and possibly a little less range (150m or so) to compensate for his target box not being a lie anymore - I was surprised when I did a test just now and found out how insanely long Kovtillery range is. It probably would devalue V2 somewhat if the target box revealed how far it could actually shoot while retaining its current range.

It would probably be more likely to make Volkov+V2 a more common combo than what you suggested because it means that when someone shows up to kill your V2 when you're one shot away from killing a building, you now know how close you really need to get for Volkov to finish it off, or at least keep applying pressure if it does get repaired.

Grenadier "wasn't as good"? Huh? He was actually better in the siege role than current Volkov is (but obviously worse at everything else). All he suffered in was durability, but he had more anti-building damage (in fact more than the RPG), was harder to detect due to his trailless projectile, had a laser-accurate projectile, had a usable target box, and cost less than the V2. And V2s were still viable with him around.

The V2 isn't devalued by Kovtillery currently because artillery isn't Kov's primary role. The Kovtillery also takes a large amount of ammo to fire and has a pretty long reload time. If artillery becomes more of a primary purpose for Kov, then I can see the V2 being devalued.

When I say the Grenadier "wasn't as good", I'm talking about in relation to the V2, not to Volkov. The alpha damage that the V2 deals along with the decent splash radius makes up for the fact that it's got papier-mâché for armour. Putting Kov in the position of the old Grenadier devalues the V2 because Kov is basically a walking tank. It's almost like saying "hey, you know what would be great is if we crossed characteristics from the heavy tank and artillery into one unit that has super range and the armour of a tank".

After reading Raap's post and seeing him mention cinematic attacks, maybe giving Kov something a bit more interesting like an Airstrike/Parabomb beacon would serve to be a neat anti-building tool as well as allowing him to keep his weaponry somewhat similar to what it is now.

I guess you have to ask yourself whether it's worth drastically changing 10+ years of Kov-gameplay consistency to give him a more defined artillery role, rather than just let him be what he is and tune him based on how he's doing. I personally wouldn't mind seeing the Flamer or Shocky get brought up to be premier building killing units for the Soviets. The Flamer seems like the obvious choice because of his role in the original Red Alert.

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Wouldn't pushing Volkov into more of a siege role de-value the V2 Launcher? Having a unit that is fairly well armoured, more mobile (can strafe and use infantry tunnels) and can out-range base defences would surely make players choose the much more fragile V2 Launcher less if they can simply Kov+Heavy or Kov+Supply Truck for roughly the same results. Granted that Kov is more expensive, but I don't believe this to be as much of an issue when compared to encroaching on the V2's siege role.

It worked with the Grenadier because he was cheaper than the V2 and wasn't as good, meaning that the V2 was still viable, but when you have a high tier unit like Volkov potentially stepping into that role, that's when the V2 would probably start to see less games played at high tiers. Just my 2 cents anyway.

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2 minutes ago, Pushwall said:

I don't see how that AT secondary would solve the "can siege base defenses/buildings" problem. Unless it does no damage to buildings despite being a rocket-propelled explosive, but then that falls back into the "not well communicated" problem, especially since the secondary fire travels beyond the primary's targeting range so people wouldn't be able to see that they're not damaging the buildings that they're trying to snipe. Oh, and of course, if it's a tracking rocket-propelled explosive, you get the same drunk-fire problem that every single AA weapon in Reborn has making it completely useless for engaging at the range it's meant for.

And making the AP secondary act like that would basically just mean taking the kovnades and removing the burn damage. Don't see how that would make it any easier to use. Can't do the "explosion is actually a 180 degree spray of bullets" thing in this engine either.

The suggestion for the AT cannon was offered pretty much as a clear alternative to what we have now (1 shell/3 shells) since a rocket projectile would be different enough for players to understand the difference. The point of range is a fair one though as well as one that I hadn't considered.

The suggestion for the AP secondary is technically the same as what it is now but without the burn damage I guess. Although, something that really bugs me currently is how fiddly that weapon is to aim (as previously mentioned). Making the projectile nice and big as well as slowing it down a bit and reducing the velocity/altering the trajectory might help the secondary become a bit easier to fire. Currently it's quite tricky to judge.