Donald Trump is the next president of the USA

[Plokite_Wolf]

Since Trump is a corporate fuck, he must have some connections in the right-wing media and some other corporation types that rooted for him, at least in a minimal level. He wouldn't have even been a candidate of the Republican Party otherwise.

[Nodlied]

Now with Brexit, Trump's presidency and with more elections coming up in Europe, particularly the chance for Le Pen to win in France and Geert Wilders in The Netherlands, prospects are not that bright but at least these elections is one thing, it's a big middle finger to the established political elite.

 Hopefully the Brexit and Presidential results will shake (European)continental political systems and non-voters to figure out that the current course won't do us any good, not with far-right victories, nor with the status quo. I honestly hope that the settleled parties will take these results as a hint and rethink their current course to at least please the majority (whom are generally part of the nation's primary culture) before continueing to help the minorities non-primary accepted and non-accepted cultures. Should they continue the current trend, the majority will likely throw in their luck with the populist far-right, which generally won't bring us any good. I'd also like the non-voters to actually participate in the voting process lest we want to see disasters like the Brexit vote (my opinion) and the Dutch Ukraine referendum again.

 

This circus show had me face-palm through it every time I read about it. The result cannot be good for what we currently still know as "the west", and I do believe some significant break-ups in various levels will occur over the next four years. I do feel for the American citizens right now however, because the truth is, they had to make a vote between a pile of horse shit and a bucket of urine. Having two "bad" choices would probably have left a lot of people with a mentality similar to just saying "Fuck it, let's vote Trump and see how bad shit can really get".

 I believe that it isn't so much that the voters thought that Trump is an amazing guy, but rather that they were done with the established system and wanted to throw in their luck with a different party/person/whatever. Unhappy citizens in a democracy have the tendency to do that. (And yes, both Clinton and Trump were terrible candidates, although I'm still debating which of them would have been worse.)

 

Political parties in my country have already expressed concerns, and will be "holding back" more in terms of relations with America, should Trump indeed show signs of commitment to his campaign outings. Some are of course happy with the result, including The Netherland's very own version of Trump; Geert Wilders. The - what we call "extreme right" - are seemingly gaining momentum in countries such as America, France, and my own. And I just keep asking myself, why do people support these parties, when in general the state of our economy hasn't been as good as it is now compared to recent years?

The far-right gaining momentum is indeed worrying.

 

These are strange times. What we need is leaders who see people's concerns, share them, and act swiftly on them (Muslim immigration for example), while still keeping a cool head regarding other, less vocal subjects. For reasons unknown, this seems to be a political gap nearly everywhere, either extreme left "everyone is welcome", or extreme right "shut every door" policies run the show. The middle ground does not exist.

 Agreed. It's tough being a centrist these days.

 

Didn't Brexit turn out to be a good thing for the UK economy?

Well, the pound lost 1/5th of it's value although I've heard that it has risen again after the recent court ruling. Some companies are having issues, others are making financial gains compared to before the vote. I don't think we can say whether or not Brexit will be good for the British economy until (or if!) the actual Brexit happens and on which terms. However, as Jie told us, the vote did cause some UK unity issues.

[Killing_You]

What I see is a power shift. The far right is about to snowball into the main narrative, taking the far left's place. Eventually, the far left is going to regain the narrative and will probably gain even more traction than it has in recent years. It's a tug of war with both sides getting more extreme with each shift. I fear that civil discussion will die in the next few decades.

[ChopBam]

I fear that civil discussion will die in the next few decades.

*Looks at YouTube comment sections.* Yup!

[moonsense715]

How I feel about the elections in the USA? Since I don't live there it barely interests me.

 

But this is getting on my nerves all the time:

http://www.americaisnotusa.com/

Thanks.

[Jeod]

How I feel about the elections in the USA? Since I don't live there it barely interests me.

 

But this is getting on my nerves all the time:

http://www.americaisnotusa.com/

Thanks.

 

I put USA in the thread title when I made it.

[Voe]

 

I see new salt mines have been opened!

 

 

 

 

[Jeod]

Yup, the protests begin.

[Alstar]

Imo democratic party decided to take 2 shotgun shells in their knees by rigging the stuff so its Clinton who would be promoted by them and not Sanders. I feel that if it didnt took place, its Bernie who would be electeed yesterday.

 

Not gonna say anything to that because i dont understand most of stuff about USA election and i dont want to look like an idiot. But got to admit, this is second place from where i see a proper discussion about this. Good job W3D hub.

 

Most of "discussions" i seen are mostly shittalks

[Raap]

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Most of "discussions" i seen are mostly shittalks

 

This might have a lot to do with half the users here being non-Americans, and don't live that close to home of the subject.

 

I speak for myself here, but in my country I have learned to take "politics" with a grain of salt. At the fundamental level, it's 90% talk, 10% compromised action. What you vote for will rarely actually happen, due to various factors I can appropriately phrase as "cock blocking by opposing parties". I have never voted in my life for this reason, and if I did decide to vote, I might be able to relate to some portion of the Trump voters - Voting on an extreme, to try and break the system and cause reformations. But truth be told, breaking any system is a big risk.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Raap

[Voe]

Most of "discussions" i seen are mostly shittalks

[VERTi60]

Grab her by the China...

[Jeod]

 

It was a no-brainer for a lot of supporters.

[Killing_You]

One thing that bothers me is the sheer amount of hatred being pointed at third party voters. There's no way to know how many third party supporters would've voted one way or another, or if they would've had a significant impact.

[Nodlied]

I found the following kinda humorous. Shows how people underestimated both Trump and a large part of the US population.

 

 

If anybody wants to know why I think he won and what I think is taking place in the world right now, feel free to ask. Just don't feel like spending time on the post if people don't think I should bother.

[Jeod]

You can break down his win to one simple thing: voter turnout.

 

Republicans have been sick of eight years of democratic policies and the MSM had spent the past year pushing grossly incorrect polls projecting upwards of 80% chance of a Clinton win. Factor the Clinton scandal and Bernie Sanders being cheated out of the primary turning many democrats over to the republican side and you have a prime case for an easy Donald Trump win. It's almost as if the establishment wanted it to happen.

[Pushwall]

You can break down his win to one simple thing: voter turnout.

 

Republicans have been sick of eight years of democratic policies and the MSM had spent the past year pushing grossly incorrect polls projecting upwards of 80% chance of a Clinton win. Factor the Clinton scandal and Bernie Sanders being cheated out of the primary turning many democrats over to the republican side and you have a prime case for an easy Donald Trump win. It's almost as if the establishment wanted it to happen.

 

I think the plan with the polls was to depress Republicans into not bothering to vote on election day. Except the media and establishment failed to take into account the raw energy of Trump supporters, laziness of most millennials, and the Shy Tory effect, and once again ignored Brexit where a similar thing happened - turnout was very low among young voters because they're low-energy and had been told by polls that Brexit would fail hard so why bother voting. Polls were shown favouring Remain because it was a combination of being what the establishment wants and the media/left's vehement shaming of everyone who publicly declared their support for Brexit, which just caused them to feign support for Remain until the day.

[Nodlied]

- and the media/left's vehement shaming of everyone who publicly declared their support for Brexit, which just caused them to feign support for Remain until the day. -

Precisely. People are who are/were disillusioned with the current state of affairs have been/are being silenced by today's political correctness. Forcing this view onto people will only make it more likely for people to vote for the opposition, they feel heard, they feel that said candidate/option/whatever represents possible change and they are sick and tired for not being allowed to express their views lest they be branded as racist/sexist/homophobic/*inserreligionorminorityhere*phobic. There are more reasons, but this is one of the main ones. And the worst thing is that people haven't learned and continue to brand the voters like this even if they may not be herpaderpaphobic at all.

[Einstein]

Spot on. I'm dealing with this very thing right now actually. Its like agreeing with some part of what someone else said automagically makes you a clone of them or otherwise a minion. Really bad mentality IMO.

[ChopBam]

Here's a long article worth reading.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

[BigJoe]

Not only was it the more conservative voters becoming sick and tired of constantly having insulting labels thrust onto them simply because of their support of Trump as a candidate, but at the same time a lot of the voters were also highly disenfranchised liberals who were sick and tired of all of the failed democratic policies, party arrogance, as well as seeing the democratic party mindlessly begin pandering and supporting these crazy Millennial SJW's. There are so many factors that lead to the victory for Trump, but a lot of those factors can directly be placed on the shoulders of progressive liberals. It's mostly a matter of said progressive liberals now reaping what they have sown, and some of them (and I emphasize some) are becoming aware of the fact that this is largely their own doing.

 

[delta]

So uh, if it had been Bernie Sanders versus Trump...would you guys have gone for Sanders?

[Killing_You]

Personally, my vote wouldn't change, but I would've definitely preferred Sanders over Trump.

[Nodlied]

So uh, if it had been Bernie Sanders versus Trump...would you guys have gone for Sanders?

I'm not able to vote in the US. So yeah.

 

But I do think that Bernie, even if he is an outsider, would have won the ellection against Trump for the simple fact that he is a more likable person for the common middle man than Clinton was. That, plus he, unlike Clinton, stood for change, something people have been calling for.

[Voe]

So uh, if it had been Bernie Sanders versus Trump...would you guys have gone for Sanders?

Absolutely.

[Jeod]

I think we would have discovered quickly that socialist ideals in a capitalist nation don't mix. Bernie would have had to either adjust his policies to fit the capitalist clockwork or see failure in his policies. Bernie would likely have been a lame duck president as republicans would most likely still have taken the House and Senate.

I do believe the largest victory to come of this is the death of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which was in reality only about 7 pages of trade policy and 30+ pages of other crap bundled with it.

[delta]

But I do think that Bernie, even if he is an outsider, would have won the ellection against Trump for the simple fact that he is a more likable person for the common middle man than Clinton was. That, plus he, unlike Clinton, stood for change, something people have been calling for.

I believe the reasoning behind nominating Clinton was that Democratic Party officials looked at the way the public reacted to Obama. People seemed to mostly hate the economic stimulus, and Republicans attacked Obama as being a socialist. Democrats lost the midterm elections, and a little less than half the country voted for Romney. Okay, so people don't like socialism and "big government", so we can't have Bernie Sanders...that'd just be suicide. So they gave us Clinton instead. Or maybe I shouldn't say they "gave" us Clinton...she wins the delegate count even when you delete the superdelegates...but yeah, they were cheering for her.

 

Honestly, I think Clinton would have brought change as well...more modest and incremental change than Sanders, sure, but change nonetheless. Now before you say "she's a tool of Wall Street!", wasn't the same seemingly true of Franklin Roosevelt as well? FDR was the very picture of the wealthy elitist upper class, but he ended up enacting Social Security and the New Deal.

Edited November 13, 2016 by delta

[VERTi60]

Meanwhile...

 

 

Warning: Baby cries and liberal tears

[Einstein]

Oh man, Alex Jones is the best On that subject, this seems relevant:

 

[BigJoe]

Here's an opinion piece worth reading.

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/3704461/hillary-voters-owe-it-to-america-to-stop-calling-everyone-a-nazi-and-start-reading-wikileaks/