Event [Game End] RA:APB-themed Mafia game IV (Staplerfahrer Edition)

[Jeod]

Is Mojoman claiming cop or similar?

 

I don't know how you normally play mafia, and I never read the previous APB games to find out. But no, he isn't claiming cop. It would be suicide.

[GeneralCamo]

I'll know more on day 4, if I live that long. Or if you flip today.

 

Right now, I don't know anything about a third party anymore than the conjecture given by others. Ex: there's so many people so there could be a third party, the 'shady deals' mentioned'.

This statement is extremely shady. This implies either a Cop or other investigative role that knows they are BP/LP and wants to bait people, a vanilla that wants to bait people, a scum that wants to bait someone, pure stupidity, or something more sinister.

[Jeod]

You say it's shady but if it were true, then Mojoman would most likely be Soviet. Consequently, if he were scum, I don't think he would even include the bit about "if you flip today". It's suspicious, but it's not enough to put him on the spot.

[GeneralCamo]

We need to cover all of our bases however. This *IS* D1 after all, we do not have too much to go by. Otherwise I would be looking at far more than a single shady statement.

[Jeod]

We need to cover all of our bases however. This *IS* D1 after all, we do not have too much to go by. Otherwise I would be looking at far more than a single shady statement.

 

Correct, but rather than try to pick out a needle in a haystack on the first day, covering all the bases means to try to predict how the game will unfold. For example, your two nightkill hypothesis and our discussion of the Molotov Brothers and the Grunyevs, and what abilities they might have. If we can predict the outcome of the first night as closely as possible, then our plan phase actions will have more meaning than simply choosing a random player to investigate or roleblock or give a new unit to.

[Isaac The Madd]

 

We need to cover all of our bases however. This *IS* D1 after all, we do not have too much to go by. Otherwise I would be looking at far more than a single shady statement.

 

Correct, but rather than try to pick out a needle in a haystack on the first day, covering all the bases means to try to predict how the game will unfold. For example, your two nightkill hypothesis and our discussion of the Molotov Brothers and the Grunyevs, and what abilities they might have. If we can predict the outcome of the first night as closely as possible, then our plan phase actions will have more meaning than simply choosing a random player to investigate or roleblock or give a new unit to.

 

I can't say I know how things will go down, but you’re not pushing for an easy lynch on me again, like last game, so that's good.

I don't have enough information to tell if your scum or not right now, because of that I have no real reason to keep my vote on you.

##unvote

[VERTi60]

##unvote

[Vote Cancel] Isaac The Madd cancelled his/her vote on Jeod!

 

Time Left:

0 day(s) , 21 hours, 49 min, 50 sec

 

CVC:

Category 5 Hurricane voted nobody

Chaos_Knight voted nobody

ChopBam voted nobody

FRAYDO voted nobody

GeneralCamo voted nobody

Isaac The Madd voted nobody

Jeod voted nobody

Killing You voted nobody

Mojoman voted Jeod

Nodlied voted Voe

Voe voted nobody

 

2/11 votes casted so far

2 voted players are at a tie (1 each)

[Mojoman]

If there are two third-party options, I think these would be the possibilites.

 

Third Party One (1) and Third Party Two (2)

So we could have 1 and 2 not know who the other is.

 

1 know who 2 is.

 

2 know who 1 is.

 

1 and 2 both know who the other is.

 

I don't think option 1 or 4 make much sense, since if they either one didn't know who the other was, they could take a random night action and there would be one third party done with.

 

Option 4 doesn't make sense to me, as if they both knew who the other was, they would either team up (in which case what's the point of two teams?) or they have separate objectives that somehow also involves the other dying at some point (in which case, why not just kill the other person to be safe).

 

Option 2 or 3 would mean that one of the third-party's objectives included using / keeping alive the other third party while they don't have knowledge.

 

 

Here's a thought though if we're going through the revolutionary thought process. Perhaps the third party right now is the civilians, and they have to escort a convoy (whatever that means), at which point they become Stalin's Personal Guard and become buffed up to destroy both Allies and Soviets.

Escorting the convoy could mean destroying any base defenses (Flame Tower, Pillbox) or maybe eliminating aircraft that could find their convoy.

[Jeod]

If there are two third-party options, I think these would be the possibilites.

 

Third Party One (1) and Third Party Two (2)

 

So we could have 1 and 2 not know who the other is.

 

1 know who 2 is.

 

2 know who 1 is.

 

1 and 2 both know who the other is.

 

I don't think option 1 or 4 make much sense, since if they either one didn't know who the other was, they could take a random night action and there would be one third party done with.

 

Option 4 doesn't make sense to me, as if they both knew who the other was, they would either team up (in which case what's the point of two teams?) or they have separate objectives that somehow also involves the other dying at some point (in which case, why not just kill the other person to be safe).

 

Option 2 or 3 would mean that one of the third-party's objectives included using / keeping alive the other third party while they don't have knowledge.

 

 

Here's a thought though if we're going through the revolutionary thought process. Perhaps the third party right now is the civilians, and they have to escort a convoy (whatever that means), at which point they become Stalin's Personal Guard and become buffed up to destroy both Allies and Soviets.

 

Escorting the convoy could mean destroying any base defenses (Flame Tower, Pillbox) or maybe eliminating aircraft that could find their convoy.

 

Even my conjecture didn't get as detailed as that. Looks like intentionally misleading speculation.

[ChopBam]

Welp, not a whole lot going on today except the fire alarm going off from Jeod's cooking again.

 

Hey, sorry if I missed it, but is forced voting in effect?

[Jeod]

Welp, not a whole lot going on today except the fire alarm going off from Jeod's cooking again.

 

Hey, sorry if I missed it, but is forced voting in effect?

 

Hey, I'm actually a great cook IRL! I microwave a hot pocket...and eat it!

[VERTi60]

Hey, sorry if I missed it, but is forced voting in effect?

Not yet, if it will be, it will be the day opening post.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Apparently I can't post images in this forum. Is there a trick you guys use besides using IMG tags? My last post was supposed to have an image.

 

Anyway, my previous post was a reaction to three players all doing the same thing. GeneralCamo, Mojoman, and FRAYDO. These three players all placed a vote and then immediately unvoted in the same post. What was that all about? Are these players connected or is that really a coincidence?

 

Outside of that, Mojoman has gotten most of my attention, though I'm also looking at Isaac and GeneralCamo.

[Voe]

It's funny how one can slip under the radar by simply not posting.

 

Hello guys.

 

 

Even my conjecture didn't get as detailed as that. Looks like intentionally misleading speculation.

 

 

My thoughts exactly (although i didn't read the whole thread yet and im unsure where this post came from)

[Category 5 Hurricane]

I want to know why Mojoman can claim that Jeod's "incorrect" about Issac given that we're on day 1 and the only people who should know anything about anyone else are mafia players.

 

Also, Jeod, I find it funny that you claim that he'd never claim cop because that would be suicidal, when the very player you are talking about did exactly that in the last game we played. He is apparently claiming to have a powerful role. For no reason. Again.

 

By the way, we're probably in a game where scum must first take off before they can make a kill, based on the new air unit information that is most likely being used right now. If this is true, the Allies might actually be pretty slow at making kills. A killing Third-Party seems possible to me.

[Nodlied]

It's funny how one can slip under the radar by simply not posting.

 

Hello guys.

Still have to explain where you left all the forklifts though.

 

 

Even my conjecture didn't get as detailed as that. Looks like intentionally misleading speculation.

My thoughts exactly (although i didn't read the whole thread yet and im unsure where this post came from)

 

Agreed. A bit too much digging into unknown territory on D1, especially if it is as detailed as that.

 

 

Anyway, I should have more time later today and tomorrow. But other than that, I'll be having a tight schedule until Thursday evening.

[GeneralCamo]

Apparently I can't post images in this forum. Is there a trick you guys use besides using IMG tags? My last post was supposed to have an image.

 

Anyway, my previous post was a reaction to three players all doing the same thing. GeneralCamo, Mojoman, and FRAYDO. These three players all placed a vote and then immediately unvoted in the same post. What was that all about? Are these players connected or is that really a coincidence?

 

Outside of that, Mojoman has gotten most of my attention, though I'm also looking at Isaac and GeneralCamo.

I just did it as a bit of a joke and tradition in these mafia games, where we vote Voe D1 always. I'm not stupid enough to give an easy hammer opportunity for the Mafia literally 10 minutes after the day started though, hence why I unvoted immediately. Plus the fact that Voe didn't actually do anything wrong.

 

I should point out that Nodlied STILL hasn't unvoted Voe yet. Why is that? Does he want to kill someone randomly for no reason? If this is the case, who is he working for?

 

I'm going to prevent an RNGesus from occurring yet again and give one to the No Lynch. I don't want to hammer a no lynch however, so I will retract my vote if that looks to be the case.

 

##vote No Lynch

[VERTi60]

##vote No Lynch

[Vote Counted] GeneralCamo voted No Lynch to be lynched!

 

Time Left:

0 day(s) , 8 hours, 45 min, 17 sec

 

CVC:

Category 5 Hurricane voted nobody

Chaos_Knight voted nobody

ChopBam voted nobody

FRAYDO voted nobody

GeneralCamo voted No Lynch

Isaac The Madd voted nobody

Jeod voted nobody

Killing You voted nobody

Mojoman voted Jeod

Nodlied voted Voe

Voe voted nobody

 

3/11 votes casted so far

3 voted players are at a tie (1 each, including no lynch)

[Jeod]

Apparently I can't post images in this forum. Is there a trick you guys use besides using IMG tags? My last post was supposed to have an image.

 

Anyway, my previous post was a reaction to three players all doing the same thing. GeneralCamo, Mojoman, and FRAYDO. These three players all placed a vote and then immediately unvoted in the same post. What was that all about? Are these players connected or is that really a coincidence?

 

Outside of that, Mojoman has gotten most of my attention, though I'm also looking at Isaac and GeneralCamo.

 

Check your URL. It has to end in .gif, .jpg, or .png. If it has anything after it, like referrers or .gifv, it won't work.

 

I want to know why Mojoman can claim that Jeod's "incorrect" about Issac given that we're on day 1 and the only people who should know anything about anyone else are mafia players.

 

Also, Jeod, I find it funny that you claim that he'd never claim cop because that would be suicidal, when the very player you are talking about did exactly that in the last game we played. He is apparently claiming to have a powerful role. For no reason. Again.

 

By the way, we're probably in a game where scum must first take off before they can make a kill, based on the new air unit information that is most likely being used right now. If this is true, the Allies might actually be pretty slow at making kills. A killing Third-Party seems possible to me.

 

Mojoman claimed cop when he was about to die. Now it's Day 1. He's smarter than that.

 

I have to say, I expected a better opening post from you Cat5. No long analysis to show us? Although that is a good point about the air units. However, blend that into the third party theories we have, and it really only fits the bill if the Molotov Brothers don't exist. The Allies are their 'customers', so if they have nightkilling ability then they run the risk of killing their own allies--and if they somehow knew who the scum were so they could avoid such a thing, then they may as well be Allies anyway.

 

No, I doubt the Molotov Brothers would be a third party in this setting. They'd be serial killers then, and I don't think it's likely that Verti would break lore in the 20th anniversary game. The air units are his primary focus, which points to the Grunyevs as a viable third party serial killer faction if the Allies need to take off and land to perform their nightkills.

 

I guess we'll find out.

[Voe]

 

Apparently I can't post images in this forum. Is there a trick you guys use besides using IMG tags? My last post was supposed to have an image.

 

Anyway, my previous post was a reaction to three players all doing the same thing. GeneralCamo, Mojoman, and FRAYDO. These three players all placed a vote and then immediately unvoted in the same post. What was that all about? Are these players connected or is that really a coincidence?

 

Outside of that, Mojoman has gotten most of my attention, though I'm also looking at Isaac and GeneralCamo.

I just did it as a bit of a joke and tradition in these mafia games, where we vote Voe D1 always. I'm not stupid enough to give an easy hammer opportunity for the Mafia literally 10 minutes after the day started though, hence why I unvoted immediately. Plus the fact that Voe didn't actually do anything wrong.

 

I should point out that Nodlied STILL hasn't unvoted Voe yet. Why is that? Does he want to kill someone randomly for no reason? If this is the case, who is he working for?

 

I'm going to prevent an RNGesus from occurring yet again and give one to the No Lynch. I don't want to hammer a no lynch however, so I will retract my vote if that looks to be the case.

 

##vote No Lynch

 

No lynch is always a bad idea. It literally gives scum a free night kill. 

 

Regardless, here is where i would normally say something smart but i still havent read the thread so not this time 

[Jeod]

 

 

Apparently I can't post images in this forum. Is there a trick you guys use besides using IMG tags? My last post was supposed to have an image.

 

Anyway, my previous post was a reaction to three players all doing the same thing. GeneralCamo, Mojoman, and FRAYDO. These three players all placed a vote and then immediately unvoted in the same post. What was that all about? Are these players connected or is that really a coincidence?

 

Outside of that, Mojoman has gotten most of my attention, though I'm also looking at Isaac and GeneralCamo.

I just did it as a bit of a joke and tradition in these mafia games, where we vote Voe D1 always. I'm not stupid enough to give an easy hammer opportunity for the Mafia literally 10 minutes after the day started though, hence why I unvoted immediately. Plus the fact that Voe didn't actually do anything wrong.

 

I should point out that Nodlied STILL hasn't unvoted Voe yet. Why is that? Does he want to kill someone randomly for no reason? If this is the case, who is he working for?

 

I'm going to prevent an RNGesus from occurring yet again and give one to the No Lynch. I don't want to hammer a no lynch however, so I will retract my vote if that looks to be the case.

 

##vote No Lynch

 

No lynch is always a bad idea. It literally gives scum a free night kill. 

 

Regardless, here is where i would normally say something smart but i still havent read the thread so not this time 

 

 

We have surprisingly good info for Day 1. With hammer in 8 hours, you should read the thread.

For now, I'll cast my vote.

 

##vote Mojoman

 

At least until you explain yourself more. You may think your odd statements are good for town, but they're not.

[GeneralCamo]

 

 

Apparently I can't post images in this forum. Is there a trick you guys use besides using IMG tags? My last post was supposed to have an image.

 

Anyway, my previous post was a reaction to three players all doing the same thing. GeneralCamo, Mojoman, and FRAYDO. These three players all placed a vote and then immediately unvoted in the same post. What was that all about? Are these players connected or is that really a coincidence?

 

Outside of that, Mojoman has gotten most of my attention, though I'm also looking at Isaac and GeneralCamo.

I just did it as a bit of a joke and tradition in these mafia games, where we vote Voe D1 always. I'm not stupid enough to give an easy hammer opportunity for the Mafia literally 10 minutes after the day started though, hence why I unvoted immediately. Plus the fact that Voe didn't actually do anything wrong.

 

I should point out that Nodlied STILL hasn't unvoted Voe yet. Why is that? Does he want to kill someone randomly for no reason? If this is the case, who is he working for?

 

I'm going to prevent an RNGesus from occurring yet again and give one to the No Lynch. I don't want to hammer a no lynch however, so I will retract my vote if that looks to be the case.

 

##vote No Lynch

 

No lynch is always a bad idea. It literally gives scum a free night kill. 

 

Regardless, here is where i would normally say something smart but i still havent read the thread so not this time 

 

As opposed to lynching someone for no reason, who would likely turn out to be a townie because of pure probability and the fact that RNGesus doesn't care for us as we saw the last two games? That would be TWO free night kills if that was the case, which it likely will.

 

Mojoman: I too am keen to see your explanation for your statements. These ones specifically:

100% accuracy, 100% killrate, unlimited shots, 4th party?

 

What an oddly specific role to give me.

 

I mean ignore all that, comrades

Yes, Jeod, that is a weak and incorrect stab at Isaac. I think it would be far better to make a stronger stab at someone who sticks a vote based on analyzing someones thoughts on flavour text.

 

##vote Jeod

I'll know more on day 4, if I live that long. Or if you flip today.

 

Right now, I don't know anything about a third party anymore than the conjecture given by others. Ex: there's so many people so there could be a third party, the 'shady deals' mentioned'.

I can brush off the first statement as little more than the usual natter and fooling around that happens in the first day, but when you put it together with the second and third statements, then it comes off to me as either:

1. Baiting a lynch (fool or lynchproof?)
2. Pure stupidity
3. Something more sinister, like a bomb (See: Isaac from the second game)

What is your purpose to these statements? I'm holding my vote as No Lynch for now (especially the risk of lynching a bomb), but I am keeping my suspicions towards you.

[Chaos_Knight]

 

 

 

Apparently I can't post images in this forum. Is there a trick you guys use besides using IMG tags? My last post was supposed to have an image.

 

Anyway, my previous post was a reaction to three players all doing the same thing. GeneralCamo, Mojoman, and FRAYDO. These three players all placed a vote and then immediately unvoted in the same post. What was that all about? Are these players connected or is that really a coincidence?

 

Outside of that, Mojoman has gotten most of my attention, though I'm also looking at Isaac and GeneralCamo.

I just did it as a bit of a joke and tradition in these mafia games, where we vote Voe D1 always. I'm not stupid enough to give an easy hammer opportunity for the Mafia literally 10 minutes after the day started though, hence why I unvoted immediately. Plus the fact that Voe didn't actually do anything wrong.

 

I should point out that Nodlied STILL hasn't unvoted Voe yet. Why is that? Does he want to kill someone randomly for no reason? If this is the case, who is he working for?

 

I'm going to prevent an RNGesus from occurring yet again and give one to the No Lynch. I don't want to hammer a no lynch however, so I will retract my vote if that looks to be the case.

 

##vote No Lynch

 

No lynch is always a bad idea. It literally gives scum a free night kill. 

 

Regardless, here is where i would normally say something smart but i still havent read the thread so not this time 

 

As opposed to lynching someone for no reason, who would likely turn out to be a townie because of pure probability and the fact that RNGesus doesn't care for us as we saw the last two games? That would be TWO free night kills if that was the case, which it likely will.

 

Mojoman: I too am keen to see your explanation for your statements. These ones specifically:

100% accuracy, 100% killrate, unlimited shots, 4th party?

 

What an oddly specific role to give me.

 

I mean ignore all that, comrades

Yes, Jeod, that is a weak and incorrect stab at Isaac. I think it would be far better to make a stronger stab at someone who sticks a vote based on analyzing someones thoughts on flavour text.

 

##vote Jeod

I'll know more on day 4, if I live that long. Or if you flip today.

 

Right now, I don't know anything about a third party anymore than the conjecture given by others. Ex: there's so many people so there could be a third party, the 'shady deals' mentioned'.

I can brush off the first statement as little more than the usual natter and fooling around that happens in the first day, but when you put it together with the second and third statements, then it comes off to me as either:

1. Baiting a lynch (fool or lynchproof?)
2. Pure stupidity
3. Something more sinister, like a bomb (See: Isaac from the second game)

What is your purpose to these statements? I'm holding my vote as No Lynch for now (especially the risk of lynching a bomb), but I am keeping my suspicions towards you.

 

You you should've learned something from the previous games. You aren't new after all.

Lynching gives town information. Who voted whom, whose reasoning was weak/strong, etc. No Lynch gives town speculations upon speculations and a free night kill for the scum.

 

Also. Isaac the C4 would've been defused if lynched. His trigger was shooting.

The one and only role you'd rather not lynch is a "fool" but even then, normally GMs just let the game continue with fool's win being more of a side-event.

 

So all in all, I am seeing no reason to actively push on Mojo right now. He's a curious case for sure, but not in the way I'd pay attention to just yet.

You, GenCamo, on the other hand, give me several bad vibes at the same time:

- Accusations but no votes.

- Active role information fishing from Mojo.

- Feigning ignorance of why Nodlied goes after Voe D1 most of the time.

- He mentioned giving easy hammer for scum. With 2 votes in effect. In 11 players game. Wat.png.

- Overall got pretty defensive with very little pressure.

 

##vote GenCamo

[Nodlied]

I should point out that Nodlied STILL hasn't unvoted Voe yet. Why is that? Does he want to kill someone randomly for no reason? If this is the case, who is he working for?

 You complain about Voe not reading the thread, yet if you had read the thread yourself, you would have known that I'm very busy at the moment. Today two, I left early only to return now. Is it really neccessary to open an investigation when you can simply read what is going on?

 

 

I'm going to prevent an RNGesus from occurring yet again and give one to the No Lynch. I don't want to hammer a no lynch however, so I will retract my vote if that looks to be the case.

 

##vote No Lynch

No lynch is pretty much the worst option other than lynching confirmed town. As Voe said, it's more or less giving mafia a free nightkill and with a D1, we wouldn't gain any useful information either.

 

In any case,

##Unvote Voe

(The staplerfahrer gets away this time.)

[Chaos_Knight]

Mafia UPD:

 

Damn, that's quite a pyramid.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Sure, but analyzing votes is one of the primary ways to get leads. Otherwise you run the risk of starting Day 2 with no new information and one less player.

 

Given that there are probably at least two buildings in this game (as I suspect both an airfield and helipad) the lynch may even fail anyway.

Holy shit, I got ninja'd by three posts.

Chaos, why are you focusing on GeneralCamo when Jeod and myself are also basically using the same arguments?

[Jeod]

 

 

 

You you should've learned something from the previous games. You aren't new after all.

Lynching gives town information. Who voted whom, whose reasoning was weak/strong, etc. No Lynch gives town speculations upon speculations and a free night kill for the scum.

 

Also. Isaac the C4 would've been defused if lynched. His trigger was shooting.

The one and only role you'd rather not lynch is a "fool" but even then, normally GMs just let the game continue with fool's win being more of a side-event.

 

So all in all, I am seeing no reason to actively push on Mojo right now. He's a curious case for sure, but not in the way I'd pay attention to just yet.

You, GenCamo, on the other hand, give me several bad vibes at the same time:

- Accusations but no votes.

- Active role information fishing from Mojo.

- Feigning ignorance of why Nodlied goes after Voe D1 most of the time.

- He mentioned giving easy hammer for scum. With 2 votes in effect. In 11 players game. Wat.png.

- Overall got pretty defensive with very little pressure.

 

##vote GenCamo

 

 

Solid reasoning, but I have to disagree with this. GeneralCamo is at least putting forth content. Mojoman's statements are not only suspiciously odd for a Soviet, but he also voted me directly after Isaac did, with a weak argument for why, and has offered little else since. If we're going to debate who should die on the first day, it should not be a player who is active and offers information in analysis and votes. We'll need that kind of info down the road.

[Chaos_Knight]

Chaos, why are you focusing on GeneralCamo when Jeod and myself are also basically using the same arguments?

- GenCamo is an old player. Like he was here on Dead Space 1 game. He knows that NoLynch is a bad thing for town.

- Pointless calling out of Nodlied for not unvoting Voe. Is GenCamo trying to look contributing here without actually contributing?

 

I just did it as a bit of a joke and tradition in these mafia games, where we vote Voe D1 always. I'm not stupid enough to give an easy hammer opportunity for the Mafia literally 10 minutes after the day started though, hence why I unvoted immediately. Plus the fact that Voe didn't actually do anything wrong.

- Does a random vote of tradition, which everyone is well-aware of, warrant such a long explanation? This feels off.

[Killing_You]

Quite a bit of discussion, it seems. As far as Molotovs vs Grunyevs, whatever the case they're a threat.
 
Now, as to who they may be is a different sort of matter, but of course, this *is* Day 1. Nothing but a bunch of "he said/she said/xe said." That being said, Mojo and Gen seem pretty hostile right out of the gate. Mojo, in particular, bit at Jeod hard simply for taking a "weak stab" at Isaac. Furthermore, he mentioned that he'd "know more" on Day 4:
 

I'll know more on day 4, if I live that long. Or if you flip today.

Right now, I don't know anything about a third party anymore than the conjecture given by others. Ex: there's so many people so there could be a third party, the 'shady deals' mentioned'.

And then mentioned the following:

Here's a thought though if we're going through the revolutionary thought process. Perhaps the third party right now is the civilians, and they have to escort a convoy (whatever that means), at which point they become Stalin's Personal Guard and become buffed up to destroy both Allies and Soviets.

Escorting the convoy could mean destroying any base defenses (Flame Tower, Pillbox) or maybe eliminating aircraft that could find their convoy.

 

Could be coincidence, could be a slip? Not sure.

 

The only other person high on my suspicion list is GenCamo. Aside from role hunting Day 1, I'm pretty bothered by the fact that he's holding firm to a nolynch despite:

 

1. Nolynch helps scum,

2. Lynching the C4 from game 2 would have defused it, and

3. Having named basically no evidence that there's a bomb in play.

 

Then again, he may just be hotheaded. I think we'll see later on with what he does when there's actual information to go on. It's too early to tell for either of them, but we're better off lynching the best scumread and hoping we're right. Going with my gut as I have to leave and won't be back until the night phase.

 

##vote Mojoman

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Right now I think Mojoman, GenCam, and Issac are connected. It's a tenous argument at best, but the three seem oddly in sync. Mojoman and General both pulled the vote/unvote stunt and played along with the early "OP role" bluff, Issac and Mojoman both attacked Jeod for voting Issac with Mojoman calling Jeod "incorrect", which he shouldn't have any way of knowing if he was town.

 

As far as these three disagreeing, only GenCam has argued against Mojoman, but he's unwilling to place a vote on it.

Also both Killing_You and Voe are being very oddly quiet.