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AR :: May 2017 Update

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I like the consistent stylized unit design, but the level design makes it feel mismatched. Given that you're not trying to follow APB's art style, what are your plans for a matching environmental art style?

If I had to make a 5 second guess, I'd say a more vibrant color palette should be used in your environmental textures and level assets. Red Alert 2 was known for using a lot of strong colors so applying to it W3D based levels seems like a good direction. I'd also say instead of using real world photography as the bases if your environmental textures, instead opt for high resolution hand drawn terrain using previously mentioned vibrant color palette.

Overal, good work!

Side note, I wish APB had an infantry character artist, @Romanov seems like a great asset to your team, a true do-it-all guy!

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In addition to what Raap said, I think a good "vibrantly colored" world to start off with would be the recently released "Breath of the Wild." While a significantly different game, the stylized design could prove as a good starting point.

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On 2017-5-5 at 4:26 PM, Raap said:

I like the consistent stylized unit design, but the level design makes it feel mismatched. Given that you're not trying to follow APB's art style, what are your plans for a matching environmental art style?

If I had to make a 5 second guess, I'd say a more vibrant color palette should be used in your environmental textures and level assets. Red Alert 2 was known for using a lot of strong colors so applying to it W3D based levels seems like a good direction. I'd also say instead of using real world photography as the bases if your environmental textures, instead opt for high resolution hand drawn terrain using previously mentioned vibrant color palette.

Overal, good work!

Side note, I wish APB had an infantry character artist, @Romanov seems like a great asset to your team, a true do-it-all guy!

 

On 2017-5-5 at 6:50 PM, devilslayersbane said:

In addition to what Raap said, I think a good "vibrantly colored" world to start off with would be the recently released "Breath of the Wild." While a significantly different game, the stylized design could prove as a good starting point.

 

To be honest, our problem lies with the fact that we haven't actually made a map for AR in many years. We've been focusing on the big gameplay features currently, so once those are in, we can turn our attention back to making maps once again.

APB doesn't need a character artist, all the characters are done. :p

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3 hours ago, OWA said:

APB doesn't need a character artist, all the characters are done. :p

But they could be better. Give the Allied Medic a helmet similar to what the US Army medics wore during WWII, fix the uniforms for the Kapitan and Volkov (their ranks), make the Allied Engineer's shirt look better, etc. I wish I knew how to do this sort of stuff so I could just do it myself. :)

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Character art is APB's graphical weakness at the moment. Also consider that characters are the first thing people look at when they join the game. Impressions are everything, and even two new 'basic infantry' models would do wonders... But hey, I didn't want to hijack this thread. :)

I'll look forward to seeing some environments created. Hopefully your art direction is solid on them.

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18 hours ago, NodGuy said:

But they could be better. Give the Allied Medic a helmet similar to what the US Army medics wore during WWII, fix the uniforms for the Kapitan and Volkov (their ranks), make the Allied Engineer's shirt look better, etc. I wish I knew how to do this sort of stuff so I could just do it myself. :)

Personally, if APB ever gets new character models, I'd like to see more variety in Allied infantry to highlight the fact that the Allies are many nations working together, with certain units looking distinctively French, German, British, even American, etc. This could be even further enhanced by having both a summer and winter model for certain units, each styled after a different nation (for example, the sniper could have a British-style summer model and a German-style winter model, etc.), although this would be twice the work.

In contrast to this, Soviet units (who are basically all serving under either the Soviet military or Soviet-supplied satellite states) would have a more standardized overall appearance but each unit would still be distinctive enough to be easily identifiable.

Awesome AR update by the way. Really liking the new models. :D

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can AR pls come out in July  please i have been waiting   for so freaking long it feels like millions of years please  I wanted to become a tester because of the fact the freaking game won't come out

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41 minutes ago, thedisclaimitory said:

can AR pls come out in July  please i have been waiting   for so freaking long it feels like millions of years please  I wanted to become a tester because of the fact the freaking game won't come out

Let me ask you this instead. Would you want to have a cake that's been under cooked or one that's cooked all the way? Because it's the same thing with AR. While it is enjoyable now, there are still many things that need to be tested, patched, textured, etc.

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18 minutes ago, ganein14 said:

Would you want to have a cake that's been under cooked or one that's cooked all the way?

The cake is a Soviet lie.

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On 5/8/2017 at 5:10 PM, ganein14 said:

Let me ask you this instead. Would you want to have a cake that's been under cooked or one that's cooked all the way? Because it's the same thing with AR. While it is enjoyable now, there are still many things that need to be tested, patched, textured, etc.

Maybe he's asking for a cup cake, lol. I think he wants to see a playable demo like an infantry only bot map. (Of course that wouldn't happen till all of the infantry are in game. And who has time to script bots?) 

Anyways I waited for Reborn and so I am not too worried about AR

 

 

 

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Well I guess with a underbaked cake, you eat it, it's bad, and the cake is wasted. With an underdeveloped game or mod you could always release it as an open beta and then enlist the help of the community to help weed out the bugs?

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12 hours ago, moonsense715 said:

We don't need testers. The game is incomplete. It needs devs.

This. I can tell you by experience that when tests are called they're few and far between, and TSR tests are more common than AR, and it's all because of the lack of hands. When an update blog says the staff is hiring, they mean it. You want AR to come out faster, learn to model infantry units or design artwork/textures, and then apply for a staff position. Otherwise, don't beg for an earlier AR release or an open beta from a small number of devs who work on this in their free time without pay.

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I'd be more than happy to release an open beta of the game if it was in a better state, but unfortunately it is not. Hell, everyone could be having fun even just playing alone in the server, because ALL of the maps are bot-filled with my latest AI upgrades and base attacking/repairing/C4 explosive setting mechanics.
Those bots also do most of the testing right now and produce a lot of balance feedback by just looking at them.

I mean these are fun things, but at the same time you can also clearly see how really underdetailed the map is looking:

 

Screenshot.61.png

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Speaking of prism great model btw, in an interesting note I got a sort of preview of a prism in renegade there are a few servers (gsa) or maps that have ALLOT of inf and vehicles to choose from in renagade, red alert 1, 2  and  tiberian sun it is trully massive and there is a version of the prism in there (romonovs model is better) 

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20 hours ago, moonsense715 said:

I'd be more than happy to release an open beta of the game if it was in a better state, but unfortunately it is not. Hell, everyone could be having fun even just playing alone in the server, because ALL of the maps are bot-filled with my latest AI upgrades and base attacking/repairing/C4 explosive setting mechanics.
Those bots also do most of the testing right now and produce a lot of balance feedback by just looking at them.

I mean these are fun things, but at the same time you can also clearly see how really underdetailed the map is looking:

 

Screenshot.61.png

Why not look for an environmental artist as well then? According to your blog that's not something you are specifically looking for (modeling and texturing civilian buildings is just one specific part of environments). Edit: Same applies to foliage.

It'd help if you also were more specific in what you're looking for (besides naming civilian buildings and foliage). A sample or example of the preferred art direction for environmental assets is missing.

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I was messing around with the idea of creating a stylized grass texture, a proof of concept and first iteration, if you will. The attached file was created using 4 different grass images as a base and then heavily stylized using an extensive list of image altering effects and filters. Similar logic could be applied to any material type although the process of creating textures like this is quite time consuming - this one took me about an hour. The flip side is, you won't be needing 10 grass textures, just two or three, since the point of stylized textures is easy to recognize features without realism.

CartoonGrass.thumb.png.8a69f312c752a38bca3e20795077aa3f.png

Click a few times to see the full 2048x2048 resolution image.

Edit: I'd show the non-filtered version but a max file upload size of 5.86MB is too little, and imgur doesn't like such big files.

Edit2: Grass foliage would then be hand-drawn grass "sprites" to blend in well with the ground material. Already experimented with this a little bit on APB's Siege; the shore orange ground plants are not real pictures of a plant (I bet nobody noticed)!

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4 hours ago, Invader_Zim said:

Speaking of prism great model btw, in an interesting note I got a sort of preview of a prism in renegade there are a few servers (gsa) or maps that have ALLOT of inf and vehicles to choose from in renagade, red alert 1, 2  and  tiberian sun it is trully massive and there is a version of the prism in there (romonovs model is better) 

Sounds like you're talking about @dblaney1 and @Kaskins Imperial Age.

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