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Well, you replied before I was done typing my book 😛 This was done literally forever ago and has been talked about numerous times. It is very common knowledge, I'm sorry that you were not informed. [Original post] Let me preface this post by saying that I will not be speaking right now on behalf of W3D Hub, but rather as just me, Einstein, a player/user, nothing more. I've been pretty inactive in recent months, not doing as much as I normally do, or being present as much as I have in the past. I hear about current events and occasionally visit the forum and read a little bit, etc. Don't really have time right now to be "involved" as I usually am, thus me speaking as myself and not as a representative of this place. I have a reputation among those who know me for being (or attempting to be) unbiased and objective, respectful, and a little bit over-analytical. Its just my nature. So briefly here, I am going to 1) state what I am seeing/have seen, and 2) analyze what I have seen. Many weeks ago, an issue was raised by the leadership of RenCorner and MPF to the general public of W3D Hub in this thread here, which at face value seems to be a sudden demand and/or call to action regarding the Interim Apex project (previously Imperial Age). After some heated discussion, the roots of the problem are exposed, etc. Some solutions are proposed, nothing really gets done, the discussion goes to PM, I lose track of it, and it eventually basically dies from what I understand, though the problem was never resolved entirely. Some aspects of the problem (ex: the mishap with the IA download accidentally containing some renegade files which were thought to have been removed in the initial release version) were promptly addressed and resolved, and as far as I know, that was one of them. Other bits, such as "the fairness of the IA project existing in the same universe as stock Renegade", have been rather put off by both sides for another day. The entity in command of the Renlist backend blocked the IA server from the list, and then *silence*. Though I do hear that as a result of these happenings, @danpaul88 has stepped up and volunteered his own time and keystrokes to develop and evolve the W3D Hub launcher into a platform which can one day support stock Renegade, as well as all the stock (and modded) servers, which are currently available via the Renlist tool, in addition to all of the in-house projects which are currently available via the launcher. Fast-forward like idk....couple months or something. Earlier today anyway. Unrelated drama about things that I admittedly do not understand (because I've been out of touch) is happening in this thread, and again seemingly very suddenly, and for some reason hi-jacking a thread of completely unrelated subject matter entirely, another post, by the same, representative of the same, expressing basically the same. In response, @OWA resumes the conversation from somewhere close to the point at which it died before, reiterating that there are some questions from the prior discussions which were posed to the individuals which have grievances, which have never been answered. A little bit more back-and-forth, and OWA's questions are now answered. OWA has presumably not seen the reply yet, and has not responded yet. Whew! Now we have arrived..... In the interest of remaining unbiased, and also putting forth that image, let me just make one general clarification point. A person's Point of view / Frame of Reference can easily be mistaken for bias, but they are two different things entirely, though related. The angle at which an event was witnessed (Frame of Reference) when described by the witness, may appear to take the form of a bias, when in reality it is simply an incomplete picture of the event which transpired. Simply put, all of the accounts logged above being from one viewpoint does not necessitate that the witness (me) is biased towards that viewpoint. And now the Analysis.... Everything I have seen so far has consisted of forces/entities outside W3D Hub suddenly coming to the W3D Hub forum to air out grievances about how things are done here. Even going so far as to demand that certain things not be done the way in which they are, followed by threats which follow the pattern of "if you don't stop doing (or start doing) ABC, then we will retaliate by doing XYZ", which was followed through, citing repeatedly "cause and effect.....cause and effect". Lets look at some cause and effect then shall we? Exactly how would these individuals feel, if the staff of W3D Hub showed up in these other communities and started making demands? "Cause and effect". What would happen? What would happen, if after the W3D Hub staff, who, assuming that they were completely in the right (because they had perceived, completely unbeknownst to the inhabitants of these other communities, that they had been wronged by them in some way) showed up in these other communities and after making their demands, made threats, and followed through with these threats, because these other communities did not conform or bend to their will? "Cause and effect". How might that play out? It is peculiar to me, the double-standard which seems to exist in some aspects of this situation. Moving forward, please examine the following quotes: It would appear that there is some sort of breakdown in communication here. Correct me if I am mistaken, but it appears that @shaitan is stating here that the ultimate solution to this problematic situation is exactly what @OWA has said that W3D Hub is already actively working on and in the process of implementing? If this is the case, then will someone PLEASE explain to me what this is actually about? Because this looks to me as if it has solved itself, but that people were too occupied with the fighting itself to actually notice! Eh?

Your maps is bad. ❤️

Looks great! I have always loved the display images you come up with for each unit too, it makes these threads fun to look at

/me demotes Fraynub.

@FRAYDO is a like-farming weeb. I mean look at this guy, nothing is below him. Using Santa's name to boost his rep, and all of you fell for it smh....

Try downloading the .NET framework 4.6.1 installer from the Microsoft website and installing it manually. I see in your screenshot that you have an "E" drive. It has happened before that installing to a different drive has not played well with the launcher. Please let us know if this worked or not. Thanks!

> Cruisers I have arrived.

Lol refresh to see my edit

Please look back at some previous posts and read carefully. W3D Hub is not out to destroy anyone or anything. Our original "mission" here was simply to be a place for all the mod projects that wanted a part in it. Now, this has morphed somewhat, and as danpaul mentioned earlier, we eventually plan to support renegade and list all the servers which wish to be listed on our launcher along with that. Something which we are not in any way obligated to do, but have chosen to do anyway for the good of all W3D communities and projects. No strings attached. EDIT: Clarification: It appeared to me as if you were referring to all parties in this statement. I see now that this might not be the case. Ignore if I misunderstood.

We do not "troll" in any official capacity. Any comments made about soft drinks or such like are intended to simply remind us that this is a gaming community and whatever happens is likely not worth fighting over, while simultaneously working towards a solution (even when it may not exactly look like it).

Thats subjective bud, I'm a coke boi. Dr Pepper is king though!

The current setup of IA is unique in that it uses ttfs (as it always has I believe), but we also distribute it via the launcher. Its simply another way to download it and join. Normal renegade clients that connect will be prompted to download the missing files as always, while launcher users will already have them. Thats it.

For the record (minor detail, clarification point here): The W3D-Hub launcher does not list renegade servers because we don't currently support renegade or have any stock servers. Also, beings as the game is not released as freeware by EA, we can not distribute a full installable copy of stock renegade. And even if we did so, we would likely only list our own stock ren server(s), as renlist is a different tool performing a different job, aimed at a different crowd.

At this point, I see no reason to take the conversation private. As long as it remains civil, I think it can probably be handled here.

@shaitan Hello! I've heard your name for years but I don't believe we've ever spoken. Nice to meet you. And thanks for the IRC help, etc. And Wally is just bantering as he said He does that. I'm not going to issue an "official" answer to this question or anything, but I did want to try to get something clarified really quick. What do you mean exactly here? Whats getting installed twice? Thanks.

That would be so much work though. Pushwall doesn't have much help with APB stuff, much less the funds to hire MiG pilots and Cruiser captains. I do it for free tho

My sources tell me that the portal has stabilized.

Hello there, and welcome to W3DHub! Be sure to check out our community rules so that you stay out of trouble 😉 Currently we don't really have the man-power to start another fresh project from the ground up. But you are welcome to begin development yourself if you have interest and aptitude for it. We have tools and tutorials available to learn all about development on the W3D engine, as well as many development veterans who love to teach. If that sounds like something you would be interested in doing, just speak up!

Completely understandable man. Look on the bright side though! You've spawned another tester! You can play together in a couple years

You have been blocked by the anti-cheat. If you receive a message while trying to join a server that says: ...then either you are cheating or you simply have corrupted or extra file(s) in your data folder for the game in question. To remedy this problem, try the following steps: Remove any files you may have placed in your data folder. For Renegade and Interim Apex: Delete the file mentioned in the message, and then try to rejoin the server. A fresh copy of the file may be downloaded from the server when you connect. For Renegade: run mixcheck.exe located in the game's main folder. This will check for consistency in the stock game files and fix any errors. For all other W3D games distributed via the Launcher: Delete the file mentioned in the message, and then use the Launcher's "Repair Installation" function, found in each game's section of the Launcher. This will re-install the file in question. If the file mentioned is not found in the data folder, then it is located within one of the game's asset archive files (always.dat, always2.dat, etc) or within a map file. Deleting and re-installing one of those files may be necessary in this case. Make a thread in this subforum if none of these steps corrected the issue. "Launcher failed to connect to backend" error There are a various few situations in which the launcher can not correctly connect to the w3dhub backend to download updates for itself and for games. We have observed that one such situation may be caused by a DNS misconfiguration, which could reside on your PC, your router, your ISP, or elsewhere on your network, and may be the product of malware, user tampering, or the failure or delay of DNS propagation. There is a troubleshooting step to identify a DNS-related issue, which in some cases also serves as a workaround (not solution) for these issues. By installing a manual entry in your PC's "hosts" file, some users have reported that it restores normal operation. Begin by navigating to the following file and opening it in Notepad: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts (note: the "hosts" file has no extension, and it will not function if it is saved with an extension, such as a .txt file) Once open in notepad, add the following line to the bottom of the file: 176.31.21.179 secure.w3dhub.com - [NOTE - All other lines in this file are comments, and they begin with a '#' character which tells the operating system to ignore them. DO NOT add this character before the line that you add to the file!] Do not edit any other part of the file. Save the file, and close notepad. [NOTE - You may need to run Notepad as Administrator in order to save your changes] Run the Launcher and see if anything has changed. If it appears to be fixed - great! If the issue persists, then remove the line you added to the hosts file immediately. Make a note for yourself if you have added the line and plan to leave it for a while, as you may need to remove it at some point in the future. Game or Launcher updates fail to install This can be caused by the issues outlined in the section above regarding DNS issues, but another possible cause for games failing to install or update while showing the following error, is a nearly full hard drive. If you see an error like the one above, then check your available space. If you need help reclaiming some drive space, we can probably help. If these steps nor the ones provided by Danpaul above were able help solve your issue, then please make a post in this subforum and we will do our best to assist you in finding a solution.

@des1206 Any chance you want to rejoin the team?

Yeah this definitely isnt a fix, just a workaround until whatever gets fixed (ISP issue maybe?). You'll want to remove that edit some day. Glad you can play now though

I had him to add that line for troubleshooting just FYI. Didnt want anyone to be confused by the random hosts file lol

Whats up doc!? Always wanted to say that Welcome to W3D Hub! I hate to hear that you're having trouble getting the games to run. Luckily we have people here that can usually figure stuff like this out. Hey @jonwil any ideas?

Has your antivirus gotten involved behind the scenes maybe? Its happened before.